Posted on 04/08/2006 10:23:27 AM PDT by Travis McGee
"The True History of the Southwest, 101"
The amount of historical idiocy and fallacies surrounding the history of the Southwest is staggering, chief among them the "Aztlan" fairy tales. What's the truth? How did the Spanish Europeans conquer the Southwest? The "conquistadores" (that means "conquerors") did it with the lance, and the lash.
For example, in 1541 Coronado entered present-day New Mexico (which included present Arizona during the Spanish era) searching for the "lost cities of gold." One of his first actions upon meeting the natives was to burn 100s of them alive in their dwellings, for not handing over suspected horse thieves. That is how Spain conquered the natives of the present US Southwest--not with hugs and kisses! It was certainly no love-fest between long-lost brown-skinned soul- mates, as it is often portrayed today by the delusional Aztlaners today, who spin the "new bronze race of Mestizos" toro-mierda.
By 1821, Mexico City was strong enough to overthrow even more decrepit and ineffectual Spanish rule. However, the distant provinces of the current US Southwest were far beyond the reach of the authority of independent but strife- torn Mexico. These distant northern provinces received neither military protection nor needed levels of trade from the south. Under Spanish rule, trade with the USA was forbidden, but at least Spain provided trade and Army protection from hostile Indians. Under Mexican neglect, the Southwest received neither trade nor protection from Mexico City.
For example, Comanches and Apaches ran rampant in the 1830s in this new power vacuum created by Mexican neglect, burning scores of major ranches that had been around for hundreds of years and massacring their inhabitants. Mexico City could neither defend nor keep the allegiance of its nominal citizens in these regions. Nor did it provide needed levels of trade to sustain the prior Spanish-era standard of living. Mexican influence atrophied, withered and died at the same time that American pathfinders were opening up new routes into the region.
Increasingly, a growing America was making inroads into the Southwest, via ships into California, and via gigantic wagon trains of trade goods over the Santa Fe Trail from St. Louis. The standard of living of the SPANISH in these states subsequently increased enormously, which is why they did not support Mexico City in the 1846-48 war. In fact, the Spanish-speaking inhabitants of the Southwest NEVER considered themselves "Mexicans" at all, ever. They went, in their own eyes, from SPANISH directly to AMERICAN.
So how long did Mexico City have even nominal control over the Southwest? For only 25 years, during which they had no effective control, and the area slipped backwards until the arrival of the Americans. The SPANISH inhabitants of the Southwest NEVER transferred their loyalty to Mexico City, because all the received from the chaotic Mexican government was misrule, neglect, and unchecked Indian raids.
Since then, how long has the area been under firm American control? For 150 continuous years, during which time the former Spanish inhabitants of the region, now American citizens, have prospered beyond the wildest dreams of the Mexicans stuck in Mexico. To compare the infrastructure, roads, schools, hospitals etc of the two regions is to understand the truth. The Mexican government has been mired in graft, corruption, nepotism and chaos from the very start. The ordinary Mexican peons have been trampled and abused, while only the super-rich elites have thrived. This is why millions of Mexicans want to escape from Mexico today, to enjoy the benefits of living in America they can never obtain in Mexico.
And now, we are supposed to let any Mexican from Chiapas, Michoacan or Yucatan march into the American Southwest, and make some "historical claim" of a right to live there? From where does this absurd idea spring?
At what point in history did Indians and Mestizos from Zacatecas or Durango stake a claim on the American Southwest? Neither they nor their ancestors ever lived for one single day in the American Southwest. The Spanish living in the Southwest in 1846 stayed there, and became Americans by the treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo. There were no Spanish inhabitants of the Southwest who were marched to the border and driven into Mexico. It didn't happen. The SPANISH in the Southwest welcomed American citizenship, which brought stability, protection from Indian raids, and a vast increase in their standard of living with the increase in trade.
In sum, NO current inhabitants of Mexico have ANY claim on even one single inch of the Southwest!
NOT ONE citizen of Mexico is sneaking into the USA to reclaim property they were deprived of, NOT ONE.
They are criminal invaders and colonizers, pure and simple.
It's time Americans learned the true history, as a counter to the prevalent Aztlaner fairy tales.
Exactly, machman. There is a proud Spanish tradition in New Mexico. I'm sure you have encountered the Romero family as I have in visiting Santa Fe.
Bump for verdad!
Without the map, everything you say has credibility, regarding Aztlan's views, that illegal immigration has and will make it worse, and that many will get caught up in the ugliness. What makes no sense is the use of the "all U.S. hispanics" population map. If Aztlan were to gain any foothold at all, EVERYONE would be affected and caught up in the ugliness. Most of the hispanics I know aren't even "100% hispanic" anymore but have "non-hispanic whites" in their families if not as their spouses. Your argument would be better supported if the population stats on the map were for illegal immigrants. Illegal immigration alone didn't color the map you have presented; it certainly didn't color my tiny part of it.
Thanks, potlatch. But please understand that the map in this thread that has chapped my a$$ isn't "just" about illegal immigration. Lots of patriotic, multi-generational or even "pre-statehood" families like mine make up that map.
People who call themselves "Chicanos"--a term created by the ultra-left reconquista Aztlan crowd--probably have already chosen a side.
Quickest way to get my dad to swear was to use the word "Chicano".
For truly AMERICAN hispanics, (most of whom are not single-issue voters (unless that issue is religion-related such as abortion, or related to their livelihoods, such as trade) there's no debate what side we're on. Period.
Los Angeles County Racial/Ethnic
Demographic Changes 1940 - 2000Report compiled by
Miroslava Flores
La Voz de AztlanLos Angeles County in Southern California has undergone startling demographic changes especially as it concerns the Latino population which is mostly of Mexican descent. The following seven maps show graphically how the racial/ethnic populations have changed from 1940 to 2000 according to the decennial censuses. The maps were prepared at the University of California at Los Angeles.
Unfortunately, the growth of the Mexican population in Los Angeles County has not been reflected in the degree of political influence attained by the community due to a number of factors. One of the major ones is the practice of "gerrymandering" which consists of the breaking up of Mexican-American voter strongholds. When political districts are created after each decennial census, the political power elites make sure that the Mexican-American voting blocks are splintered thus assuring that one of their own will win in that district.
Another major obstacle in achieving proportionate political representation for Mexicans in Los Angeles County has been right out tampering with elections results. This is especially true in elections for city councils in the various municipalities that comprise the county. One example is the City of Whittier where the Mexican-American population is now approaching 60% yet no candidate of Mexican descent has been able to oust any of the 5 White councilmembers. The situation concerning gerrymandering and tampering with ballot boxes has had a very adverse affect on the Mexican population in terms of the lack of political representation in city governments, the Los Angeles Unified School Board, the Los Angeles County Board of Supervisors, in the US Congress and at the State capital.
Please click on below small maps to view a larger one:
1940
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1950
1960
1970
1980
1990
2000
Good. I guess it's different in southern California. Chicano was an accepted term at one time, a bit of slang but not bad. I think then the Brown Power movement took it up and it meant something else.
Reaction to language varies in different parts of the country.
I don't know how else to convince you that I KNOW what you are talking about, I recognize that we have 100% Americans who are also Hispanic and that these Americans have served this country well in the military and in all professions.
You say there is no debate as to which side you are on, but you seem to still choose to believe that I am the enemy, in spite of what I have posted to you on the forum and privately. I've done my best. Period.
BTTT for this info!
Every time I am convinced that you are a looney tune, you up and present a cogent and coherent statement...like this one.
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NEW ITEMS ARE ADDED AT THE BOTTOMMexicans Have Plans
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Well, "New Mexico" was named after the city, much as New York State was named after Yotk in England. What about just calling them "New-Mexicans"?
| The Mexican Government's Official Plan for a Takeover of America December 12, 2002 By W.J. Perry There are approximately 18 million Mexican immigrants living in the United States today. Out of that 18 million, it is estimated that 3 million, or nearly 20 percent, are illegal aliens. Those 18 million Mexicans present a growing threat to America's self-determination because many play a dual citizenship role officially encouraged by the Mexican government. This is no secret; it's all in Mexico's official "National Plan of Development 2001-2006." This shocking document is a five-year plan full of political rhetoric emphasizing planned improvements for every aspect of Mexico's infrastructure, but it also lays out specific strategies for expanding the nation's political reach far beyond the US-Mexico border. In other words, Mexico is systematically trying to cultivate dual loyalties, i.e., disloyalty, among its ethnic compatriots in America. This is a naked expansion of Mexico's national interest at the expense of ours; the mystery is: Why we are tolerating it? "Globalization" is the buzzword that appears numerous times throughout Mexico's plan. To achieve that goal, the Mexican government is counting on its citizens living abroad to strengthen Mexico's influence throughout North America. The Mexican government is demanding that we give all Mexican illegals a free pass, and also support them with numerous social services paid for by American taxpayers. Some of these -- like free medical care -- we do not even provide to our own citizens. Mexico's plan specifically outlines its intent concerning Mexican citizens who have entered the United States illegally in a subsection titled "Defense Of Mexicans Abroad." The plan states: "It is important to note that even if Mexico has achieved a number of agreements and mechanisms to ensure better treatment of our countrymen abroad, the issue of migration, especially in the United States, needs a new focus over the long term to permit the movement and residence of Mexican nationals to be safe, comfortable, legal and orderly, and the attitude of police persecution of this phenomenon must be abandoned and it must be perceived as a labor and social phenomenon." In other words, nothing is illegal and we are not a nation of laws any more, only markets. In a television interview in 2000, Mexico's President Vincente Fox made his country's intentions clear concerning the balance of power in the Western Hemisphere: "I'm talking about a community of North America, an integrated agreement of Canada, the United States, and Mexico in the long term, 20, 30, 40 years from now. And this means that some of the steps we can take are, for instance, to agree that in five years we will make this convergence on economic variables. That may mean [that] in 10 years we can open up that border when we have reduced the gap in salaries and income." In other words, his stated long-term goal is the abolition of the border between the US and Mexico. This is a polite way of saying an end to America's distinct nationhood, i.e., to our nationhood, period. We are to be dragged down to the level of the corrupt, impoverished, backward, crony-capitalist disaster -- a nation whose citizens evaluate quite honestly by fleeing at the rate of millions per decade -- on our southern border. On the surface, Mexico's globalist vision for economic unity seems innocent, but it's likely to create a very dangerous situation for America. Unlike our nation of mixed nationalities with various loyalties, Mexicans are extremely nationalistic, and they usually side with their homeland first on all issues. Considering that Hispanics are now the largest minority group in America at 12.6 percent, and Mexicans make up half of that population, the Mexican government is well on its way to wielding significant influence over U.S. policy by relying on the loyalties of their 18 million dual citizens. Another disturbing section of Mexico's National Plan concerns the government's effort to set up illegal immigrants with special identification cards, allowing them to open bank accounts and acquire driver's licenses anywhere in the United States. Basically, any Mexican illegal alien can walk into the nearest Mexican consulate with $29 and walk out with a "consulate card." These cards are officially recognized in Mexico allowing illegal immigrants to operate on both sides of the border. Although the cards have been available for many years, they have not been officially recognized in America as proper identification until recently. In 2001, the reliably ultraliberal San Francisco combined city and county government unanimously passed a resolution to accept the consulate card as official personal identification. Since that first resolution, law enforcement agencies and municipalities throughout California and other parts of the United States, have also gone on to make exceptions for illegal Mexicans by accepting the cards. This is the first step toward making Mexican border-jumpers legal by giving them blanket amnesty, something Vincente Fox has openly called for during immigration talks with the United States. With a sagging economy and many unrealized campaign promises, Mexico's leader is fighting for his political life inside what is essentially a third world country. Now, with his old friend and "Border Buddy" President Bush firmly in tow, Vincente Fox is pushing for the eventual abolishment of the US-Mexico border. Such easing of border restrictions would serve as a release valve for the most desperate unemployed Mexicans, thus relieving Mexico's financial obligation to support its' poorest citizens. Moreover, free movement across the border would allow Mexican workers to earn their money in the U.S. and spend it back in Mexico. Just as their national plan dictates, the Fox administration is also encouraging Mexican immigrants to officially participate in Mexican politics from within the United States. In 2001, Mexico passed a law allowing dual citizenship for any Mexican national living abroad, legal or otherwise. In addition, Fox visited California several times this year to campaign for stronger absentee ballot turnouts on behalf of all the Mexican nationals living in the United States. Their dual citizenship law is a major weapon in Mexico's battle for a piece of the American political pie, but it's only part of an infiltration campaign that started many years ago. During the past fifty years, Mexico's dual loyalists have entered every facet of American society, including many public offices now held by the sons and daughters of Mexicans who originally entered the United States illegally, just to be redeemed by past amnesty programs. For decades they have slowly but relentlessly been taking control of local and state governments throughout the American Southwest. Although these Mexican-Americans were born and raised in the United States, many of them openly put their loyalty to Mexico before their loyalty to America. What other ethnic group in America would we tolerate this from? (When some German-Americans flirted with Hitler in their Bund organization in the 30's, this so shamed their reputation as an ethnic group that they are now -- despite being the largest ethnic group in America -- also one of the most silent in terms of explicit ethnic self-expression.) Today, the Mexican loyalists have become a dominating force in American society, influencing the culture, the language and most importantly, the political process. Thanks to Mexican-American lobbying efforts, California state representatives now officially recognize illegal aliens as "undocumented workers" treating them with a laundry list of special aid programs including free college tuition. Repeat: there are native Americans who can't afford to go to college, and we are spending taxpayer money to send criminal migrants. In Texas, the state legislature recently conducted an entire legislative session in Spanish, and the story barely made the "B. Block" of local newscasts. Furthermore, the 2000 presidential campaign proved just how important the Hispanic vote is to politicians on the national front. From day one of the campaign, then Texas Governor, George W. Bush, dragged his half Hispanic nephew, George P. Bush to every media event that might garner a sizable Hispanic audience. The plan worked so well that today George W. Bush is described in many Latin American circles as "America's first Hispanic president" a strange title for a guy who once referred to Mexico's national language as "Mexican" instead of Spanish. Indeed, Bush's relationship with Mexico and Vincente Fox goes back long before his bid for the presidency. The two were Governors at the same time, and they met regularly over the years concerning various issues including border security, energy production, and trade policy. Then during Bush's first year as president, he and Fox met four times to discuss US - Mexican relations. In the fall of 2001, Bush publicly mentioned the possibility of a new amnesty program for Mexican illegals, but things cooled dramatically after the 911 attacks. Today however, Bush and Fox are back on the fast track to negotiating Mexico's plans for economic and political expansion. After the latest meeting of the US-Mexico Binational Commission (BNC) on November 26, the U.S. State Department confirmed that cabinet members from both sides signed a number of important agreements. One agreement that stands out is the "Bilateral Income Tax Treaty" that amends an existing bilateral income tax treaty between the two nations, thus allowing significant reductions in taxes on dividends, which officials say "will further facilitate cross-border trade and investment." If fully ratified by both nations, this treaty will allow major corporations to invest in either country without being taxed at home on profits earned from across the border, thus merging our economies one step beyond NAFTA. There is no doubt the Latinization of America is well underway, and Mexico is slyly laying the groundwork that could eventually destroy the security of our southern border. Furthermore, it's no big secret that many Mexicans dream of reclaiming the land lost to America as a result of the Mexican-American War. Ever since that agreement took effect in 1845, numerous Mexican government officials have openly called for "Reconquista," a political plan to recover the land they believe was unjustly stolen by the American government. Although Mexico has never officially encouraged the Reconquista movement, they have also never discouraged Mexican citizens (on and off American soil) from proclaiming its inevitability. Frankly, the official plan of Mexico is closer to a plan of colonization than it is to a plan of development. Just as their national plan clearly dictates, the Mexican government is preparing for an attack on America -- an attack perpetrated through ideology and assimilation rather than with bullets and blood. The self-hating political correctness of mainstream Americans, combined with their history-blind confidence that the United States is a nation invulnerable to territorial loss, continues to aid and abet this aggression. W.J. Perry http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/authors.asp?ID=1118 It is a fact of history that virtually every major act of aggression or subversion or strategic intent to be perpetrated has always been preceded by a documented policy statement in writing -- usually in the form of a book or some doctrinaire format that provides the guiding principles for its adherents and supporters. Such a document has always been necessary so that everyone understands the plan and the intended outcome. We have been warned. So far, everything is going according to the plan. http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=4987 |
I don't recall having asked to join your ping list, especially for 3 year-old articles that I probably read at the time they were published. Please remove me from unsolicited pings if they're not in direct reply to one of my posts.
In closing hispanarepulicana.
This picture is an insult to America
and out great military that gave their
lives on Iwo Jima!
Like you think I'm going to argue that the picture isn't an insult? Of course, it's an insult! The fact that you posted it "at" me, tells me all I need to know about your state of mind. FReepmail me your address, and I'll send you a tinfoil sombrero, free of charge.
I'm not a "looney tune;" I'm ahead of my time. It takes a while for many folks to grasp what I figured out years ago. Welcome to the dawning of your new reality.
"Tinfoil sombrero." You're insulting yourself, not me!
You foolishly argued about a picture from the U.S. Census Bureau, whereas you have zero facts to support any of your argument. That picture is worth a thousand words. Face it, your posts show who, and what side you're on, and it sure isn't ours!
Go pound sand. Why am I insulting "myself" with the word sombrero? No on in my family has ever even owned one, so what are you implying?
You can't see past your well-placed concern about the Aztlan movement which has metasthasized to misplaced paranoia that ALL hispanics in the U.S. feel this way.
If "your" side is the over-simplifying, xenophobic one that paints ALL hispanics as a monolithic, wholesale-for-illegal-immigration group, then you bet your a$$ I'm not on your side. I'm on the side of secure borders and American sovereignty to preserve the nation and way of life generations of mine and other Americans' families have fought for.
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Why do American public officials value so little what thousands have fought and died to protect? A foreign power has stated its plans to conquer this nation by demographic warfare, but in Washington, apparently no one cares. One wonders what Secretary of State Colin Powell thinks about surrending American sovereignty to a foreign power. He was a general in the U.S. Army and Chairman of the Joint Chiefs, after all. Doesn't it bother him to be following the wishes of a foreign leader? Why does the most powerful nation in the world 
