[bondserv]

Ping-Bang!

[balrog666]

Does this mean that you believe that the Earth is more than 6000 years old?

[Fester Chugabrew]

. . . the extent of the structure that we can discover . . .

Structure? What structure? Design? What design? Intelligence? What intelligence? Do you not know science has emprically determined that none of these exist, or at least that all of them are beyond the realm of science?

[Alter Kaker]

"In the last of a 36-part series of lectures on 20th century science produced by The Teaching Company..."

Why is it we always see creationists citing consumer products, popularized accounts, news magazine articles -- or in this case introductory-undergraduate-level video cassettes? Can the creationists at least understand why they're not taken seriously?

[dhs12345]

I must be missing something because it wasn't ever clearly explained to me:

If we are viewing the light, from the center of the universe from a big-bang event that happened billions of years ago, that has traveled billions of light years and billions of years to get to us, and the matter in our planet and our solar system originated from the same big bang that was already here billions of light years from the original event and billions of years earlier...

Believing the special relativity is valid, this would be impossible. Matter cannot travel faster than the speed of light. Unless of course, there is such a thing as "warp" and space-time was compressed before the big-bang event. Or as this article states, the Universe was already mature or the big-bang theory is invalid.

[Strategerist]

Spitzer Clusters: JPL issued a press release stating that the Spitzer Space Telescope, on a “cosmic safari,” found evidence for clusters of galaxies 9 billion years old. In the standard dating scheme, this was when the universe was a “mere” 4.5 billion years old.

And Creation-Evolution Headlines pulls back into the lead in the "Most idiotic crap regularly posted to FR" category.

They either misunderstood the article they link to or are deliberately misrepresenting it.

[LZ_Bayonet]

The answer is not complicated. They were "conceived" 9 billion years ago but only "born" 4.5 billion years ago. - It's late and I don't have time to explain this any further, sorry. Good night.

[metmom]

Origins ping

[Deathmonger]

Welcome back, oscillating universe theory. Instruments coming online in the next 10 years will be able to see beyond the supposed Big Bang. What will they say when they see galaxies from before the Big Bang? This makes sense only if the universe does not collapse down to a point but in fact oscillates between maxima and minima over a long cycle. Some galaxies from the previous contraction are still with us. Thus, the universe may be much older than currently imagined.

So far the universe looks exactly the same no matter how far away you look, except that it gets red-shifted the farther you go due mainly to spacetime expansion effects. The oscillating universe with no Big Crunch may be consistent with the observations of spacetime expansion and stars/galaxies that appear to be older than the beginning of the expansion.

[wallcrawlr]

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[jennyp]

Goldman suggested later in the lecture one possible new conception of the universe that might emerge in the years ahead: that the universe might be viewed as “some kind of information structure.” Sound like intelligent design? Sound like instant creation?

Ooooh, he said "information" somewhere in his lecture! Intelligent Design MUST be true!

[Elsie]

Along these lines; I just received a new Sky & Telescope magazine, and on page 25 (May 2006) the title of the article is - Creator Calling Card? - where these scientists are looking in the background radiation for evidence of God!