Immigration cited as reason for U.S. losses

dailybulletin.com ^ | 4/1/2006 | Sara A. Carter, Staff Writer

[little jeremiah]

Haven't read the whole thing but it looks interesting.

[B4Ranch]

Of course Google will not show and bias towards the illegals. Take a hike.

[Brad’s Gramma]

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[Dems_R_Losers]

I live in an area with thankfully very few illegals. Some workers here are Eastern European, but mostly American-born teenagers and high school graduates. When I moved here from Northern Virginia it was like night and day. In Virginia nobody speaks English and the quality of work is terrible. Here, even our painter is an educated American who makes a good living painting houses. Our electrician is an American who supports three kids and does incredible quality work at reasonable prices. Our floors were laid by Americans. Teenagers work in the stores and fast food outlets. It's what the rest of America used to be, and we are doing fine. I don't need to save $100 on my next landscaping or painting job. I would rather have all these people working and paying taxes and abiding by the law.

But even people here are seeing the signs, especially with the big homebuilders. They're hiring more and more illegals for construction and finishing work, driving down prices for local firms and forcing them to cut wages and benefits and even fire people. This is nothing but greed on the part of the builders. They are not passing the savings on to home buyers.

[EverOnward]

bump

[Ben Ficklin]

Google doesn't write the news, they just index it.

[Ben Ficklin]

Nor do that write the help wanted ads.

[hispanichoosier]

The article should say: illegals are willing to perform work at wages lower than those that are acceptable to native-born Americans. An illegal alien is willing to provide labor at a price lower than the price demanded by native-borns. This is merely a pricing issue. If native-born Americans were willing to underprice illegals, then native-born Americans would get the jobs currently going to illegals. The solution for native-born Americans is either to (1) charge less for their labor (i.e. lobby for a repeal of minimum-wage laws and allow the free market to set wages), (2) punish companies that hire illegal aliens, or (3) find work that requires a higher degree of skill and, commensurately, offers more pay.

I doubt that (1) is a workable solution because too many people are set in their ways and just don't want to believe that their labor is worth less today than ten years ago.

Number (2) is possible, but showing that a manager knew that a person was an illegal alien is problematic inasmuch as the black market in fake papers is thriving and producing high-quality products...oh, and that presumption of innocence doesn't help either.

Number (3) is possible except for laziness. Too many people don't want to go to school to be re-trained...they just want to keep doing what they've been doing for a decade or two despite the fact that their labor is worth less.

If the War on Drugs has taught us anything, border interception will not work because market forces are too strong. Drug addicts have an almost insatiable demand for drugs, and--despite risks--drug kingpins are more than willing to supply their demand. Similarly, American companies want cheap labor, and illegal aliens are willing to provide cheap labor. Increased border enforcement will only lead to more inventive ways of smuggling illegal aliens across the borders.

I'd propose a combination of (1) and (3). I think that the federal minimum wage should be phased out over 5 years. During that time, some federal debt should be floated and the proceeds used to allow native-born workers in labor-intensive industries (such as meatpacking) to retrain themselves in more high-tech areas.

[JustPiper]

Well...we know this is a crock:

Illegal immigrants do the jobs Americans won't do.''
~ April Fool mayhaps?

[Freee-dame]

jobs Americans won't do

:How about : don't want to do? If a person can live on welfare or off of another person who works/collects benefits, why would he do dirty, hard, low-payed work. End all benefits for able bodied people and attitudes about such work will change.

We also need to get over our fixation that every American should go to college. A tremendous amount of work, both skilled and unskilled, does not need any college. Young people hear a constant drumbeat about college to the point that they hear they are not worthy if they do not go to college, a false message, IMHO

[kellynla]

BTTT

[eazdzit]

Take a look at these threads and see what you think. It is something we can do.

DOUG from Upland started with this thread U.S. BORDER PATROL: Turn In Illegal Aliens (and EMPLOYERS, followed by this one U.S. BORDER CONTROL Turn in illegal aliens

Go to either thread for more details on what to do. The TOLL FREE number to report ILLEGAL aliens or those employing ILLEGAL aliens to ICE is: 866-347-2423

How it works:

You are not required to provide your identity to ICE. All that is necessary to request an investigation by ICE is mere suspicion of any activity by ILLEGAL aliens.

ICE and the IRS are especially interested in "visiting" those businesses that employ ILLEGALS "off the books" to avoid the payment of payroll taxes.

Latinos Plan Nationwide Worker Strike

I suggest looking around and see if you might spot a suspect. At work, at school, at a job sight, Micky D's, Store etc.

On the day(current plan is May 1) of this march check to see if you can determine if someone took the day off. Confirming grounds for suspicion.

Then MAKE THE CALLAgain the number is 866-347-2423

:) Easy Does It

[B4Ranch]

I think the base idea behind bringing in the illegals is to break the unions, get companies to cut back on benefits, especially retirement plans, get socialized medicine going and lower wages which will eliminate the middle class.

Then we will have a nation that fits more in line with 3rd world nations. Two classes of people instead of three, rich and poor instead of rich, poor and the 'comfortable middle class'.

The 'comfortable middle class' are people who don't have desires for their own private airplanes, inhome help, ie servants. They have their midsized lake craft, the RV, a couple of SUV's and the cottage at the summer place, not six homes on four continents with permanently staffed with hired help.

[monkeywrench]

Make a phone call.

[naden25]

I get so angry whenever I hear some politician say that illegals are "doing the jobs that Americans won't do". I did these jobs and so did my brothers and sisters, our friends, kids in our school. The thing is, we did these jobs as teenagers. These were our first jobs. I worked in a fast food restaurant when I was 15 and then went to work at a movie theater and became assistant manager when I was 17. My sister got her first job as a maid at a Travelodge. My brothers worked in restaurants as busboys, dishwashers, and cooks. When I would go to McDonalds on a Friday night, the kid serving me was the same kid who was in one of my high school classes. So, this is really offensive. It's as if these elites want to tell us that we're all lazy and that none of these jobs would be done if it weren't for illegals.

[B4Ranch]

ICE has no intention of dedicating funds to arresting and deporting the common illegal worker. They are currently interested in gang members and felons only.

[B4Ranch]

The Chinese know that.

[rimmont]

``Illegal immigrants do the jobs Americans won't do.''

Is the President so retarded in his thinking and understanding of this issue that he still believes this? Or is he being disingenuous? Scary either way!

[B4Ranch]

It is something that he is refusing to see the truth about.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1607447/posts

[Stopislamnow]

Lock and load and buy LOTS of rope.

Then we begin again.