Split the Base Ping!
Okay, this is the proper thread to talk about disloyal Republicans and devious Democrats...assuming that anyone in that crowd is still awake.
I'm barely there, I think I'll call it a night.
Posted on 03/29/2006 8:13:24 PM PST by conservativecorner
It reads like a page directly out of the Democrat's playbook on midterm elections. Let Republicans self-destruct by splitting from their base on a core issue. Senate Republicans this week will decide if the federal government will respond to 89 percent of Americans who believe illegal immigration is a serious problem.
Any bill that does not refuse amnesty, and require true border and internal enforcement will collapse public confidence in the GOP Congress, and therefore be the breaking point of the Republican Party. The bill passed by the Senate Judiciary Committee rewards lawbreakers with amnesty, plain and clear.
The temporary worker/amnesty bill from the Senate Judiciary Committee will cause every Democrat in Congress will jump onto it, because they know that this single issue is the opportunity to divide and conquer. If anything costs Republicans the majority this November, it will be this amnesty bill in the Senate that they are trying to force-feed to Congress and the American people.
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Perhaps a historical and international perspective might help : consider the irish immigration wave following the Great Potato Famine, and the signs : no irish need apply(for jobs). Did the irish ruin our country? Is Saint Patrick's Day any different from Cinco De Mayo? Then we have the israelis with their palestinian cheap labor-workers, a similar situation to our own cheap mexican labor-workers; and we're considering building a fence as well as the Israelis are doing. Perhaps we need a balanced approach : how to separate the wheat from the chaff : keep the good, hard working mexicans here as "wheat" and throw the "chaff" back over the fenced border. The Israelis are learning how to do it, why can't we?
Evryone needs to contact their Senator to FORCEFULLY and POLITELY inform them of their disgust with the government allowing these criminals to take advantage of our country.
This could be the definitive grassroots issue of the decade. It's us "regular Joe's" vs. the "big-timers" and it crosses party lines.
I did not know this. These need to be compiled and referenced, as it is a great talking point. Anybody have an idea what these are?
Fernando Ortiz was a ‘landscape engineer’ on Long Island who had demanded to be able to vote, on the basis that he had been paying state and federal taxes for ten years. Actually, he had been stopped from casting a ballot by a poll watcher who had suspected his citizenship status, and (illegally, as it turned out) demanded proof of his identity and legal qualification to vote. Ortiz had won a multi-million dollar settlement against the Republican Party of New York in the subsequent “racial profiling and ethnic intimidation” civil suit, but he did not stop there.
Instead, with massive support from the ACLU and various Hispanic “immigrants rights” foundations, he had pressed his demand to be allowed to vote all the way to the Supreme Court…and he won. The Supreme Court, in its famous 5-4 decision, ruled that negligence in securing America’s borders against illegal immigration on the part of the federal government, could not be held against “undocumented workers who played by the rules and paid their taxes,” once they were established in America—legally or not. The federal government had not taken reasonable efforts to secure the border, and had not pursued "undocumented workers" in the USA. Instead, it openly permitted them most of the benefits of citizenship, and it collected their taxes. "No taxation without representation!" was the cry heard all the way to the Supreme Court. The State of New York had then sleep-walked through an aimless and desultory case for denying the vote—and citizenship—to “undocumented workers.”
Following Ortiz v. New York, a stunned America woke up to discover that there were not only an amazing twenty-two million illegal aliens hiding in plain sight across the land, but that eight million of them immediately qualified to vote. In a nation split 50-50 down party and ideological lines, these eight million new voters were recognized to be the certain majority-makers in future elections, and both parties set record lows for cravenness in pandering to their “needs.” Chief among their “needs” were liberal new family reunification laws, and these instant citizens—illegal aliens only a year before—began bringing the remainders of their families to the USA. Legally.
Overnight, wavering Democrat states became locks, and swing states with large Hispanic populations went solidly “blue.” The result was the recent election which had brought Gobernador Deleon to power in Nuevo Mexico, and had also brought radical Democrats to power in the White House and both houses of congress.
Thus had come the political tsunami which swept all before it, a tidal wave triggered by an undocumented lawn maintenance worker named Fernando Ortiz.
Okay, this is the proper thread to talk about disloyal Republicans and devious Democrats...assuming that anyone in that crowd is still awake.
I'm barely there, I think I'll call it a night.
Anyone have a betting pool yet on how soon one of these marches turns into a full scale riot of tens of thousands?
Lets see....we probably have 20 to 30 Million illegals. Nicer to use the lower figure of 12 million....no big deal eh?
The bill before the Senate would allow all of them to bring in their relatives.
Millions more will rush to the US as their last chance to get in.
So in a few short years we will go from 20 to 30 million to 100 million.
This is what the Democrats want. Flood the country with working poor masses. This will make up their future voting block and be the vehicle to remain in power.
Democrats use every issue to divide and conquor from 911, Welsones Death, race, class and immigration and hurricanes. Nothing new here. The GOP is in control of all 3 branches of government. If there is no wall to stop future illegals, then what good is a GOP victory in 2006? If the GOP fails the American people then they should lose. I am against amnesty. We've been there and done that. I would be less against it if it were for those here working already and if they go throug the proposed process including the fines and if and ONLY if we secure our borders NOW to stop future illegals from entering and if they do enter we define them as felons.
The bottom line is this. We have enough trouble fighting to keep detainees of war from getting a lawyer and a day in court, do you really think we will deport those already here?
Only if you take the short view. You fail to factor in their pressure on the welfare systems, health care, education and the fact that they send most of their income back to Mexico via Western Union and MoneyGram.
Not to mention uninsured/unlicensed drivers running up big bucks in damage & fatalities on the highway. The list goes on and on.
These aren't exactly hidden costs.....and you're saying that we are getting as good deal?
Republicans need to do what is right. The other problems will then fall into place.
What is right?
Not giving amnesty to law breakers and building a secure border wall.
Not going to happen. Why riot when you have the power and are getting what you want. Our elected leaders have proven themselves as outright traitors or just plain ball less except for a tiny minority. American citizens will NOT organize and stop the invasion or do anything that will lead to riots. The American Southwest is theirs for the taking.
What is the Democrat position on illegal immigration? It sounds like the Democratic base is unified in support of illegal immigration. Is this true?
I have yet to hear one Black leader speak out about illegal immigration. Why is this?
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