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Mrs. Clinton Says G.O.P.'s Immigration Plan Is at Odds With the Bible
NY Times ^ | 3/23/ | Nina Bernstein

Posted on 03/23/2006 12:28:28 PM PST by Crackingham

Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton invoked the Bible yesterday to criticize a stringent border security measure that, among other things, would make it a federal crime to offer aid to illegal immigrants.

"It is hard to believe that a Republican leadership that is constantly talking about values and about faith would put forth such a mean-spirited piece of legislation," she said of the measure, which was passed by the House of Representatives in December and mirrored a companion Senate bill introduced last week by Senator Bill Frist, a Tennessee Republican and the majority leader.

"It is certainly not in keeping with my understanding of the Scripture because this bill would literally criminalize the Good Samaritan and probably even Jesus himself," she said. "We need to sound the alarm about what is being done in the Congress."

Mrs. Clinton, who is running for re-election this year and is leading in polls for the Democratic presidential nomination, spoke at a news conference in Manhattan with more than 30 immigrant leaders after meeting with them privately.

The meeting took place in an atmosphere of mounting urgency, as the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops called on its flock to oppose the measure, and tens of thousands of immigrants around the country stepped up a series of protest rallies in anticipation of a Senate vote on competing immigration bills next week.

Mr. Frist's bill, like the House measure, would make it a crime to be in the United States without proper papers and would add guards and fencing along the Mexican border, and speed deportation.

Some versions, including one proposed by Senator Arlen Spector of Pennsylvania, chairman of the Judiciary Committee, would expand the definition of alien smuggling to include help to illegal immigrants already here.

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


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To: Crackingham

Illegal immigrants from Mexico were the foundations of the Bloods and the Crypts...two mafia-like organizations with ties to drug runners in Columbia.

I think Hillary is probably afraid of losing her connection.


61 posted on 03/23/2006 12:50:41 PM PST by Fruit of the Spirit
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To: Blueflag

Do you think the Church helping someone regardless of their immigration status should be criminalized?


62 posted on 03/23/2006 12:50:48 PM PST by clawrence3
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To: Fruit of the Spirit

Do you think the Church helping someone regardless of their immigration status should be criminalized?


63 posted on 03/23/2006 12:51:08 PM PST by clawrence3
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To: Crackingham
"It is certainly not in keeping with my understanding of the Scripture because this bill would literally criminalize the Good Samaritan and probably even Jesus himself,"

How is that, Hitlery? Where exactly in the Scriptures does it say, "Thou shalt not prohibit illegal immigration into the United States"?

64 posted on 03/23/2006 12:51:59 PM PST by infidel29 ("We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid." --Benjamin Franklin)
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To: infidel29

Do you think the Church helping someone regardless of their immigration status should be criminalized?


65 posted on 03/23/2006 12:52:17 PM PST by clawrence3
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To: Crackingham

She's an expert on FBI files too.


66 posted on 03/23/2006 12:52:39 PM PST by Waco
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To: Waco

Do you think the Church helping someone regardless of their immigration status should be criminalized?


67 posted on 03/23/2006 12:53:03 PM PST by clawrence3
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To: clawrence3; BibChr
Ah, I didn't realize that you were the one designated to actually speak for Jesus and the Good Samaritan!

Odd thing, though, Jesus speaks of obeying the civil law, such as rendering taxes to Ceasar. What part of the Gospel are you relying on to indicate that either wouldn't have directed the illegals to immigrate according to the civil law?

The simple fact is that HR 4437 would not criminalize any charity, only actons which seek to aid and abet a criminal.

68 posted on 03/23/2006 12:53:26 PM PST by FormerLib (Kosova: "land stolen from Serbs and given to terrorist killers in a futile attempt to appease them.")
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To: Crackingham

A free piece of advice.

Taking 2 extreme stands on a single issue does NOT net to being a "moderate."


69 posted on 03/23/2006 12:53:45 PM PST by freedumb2003 (Diplomacy is what you do after you kick the enemy's ass and define their lives afterward)
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To: Crackingham

Lam Ch. 5:1-2
Remember, O LORD, what is come upon us: consider, and behold our reproach.
Our inheritance is turned to strangers, our houses to aliens.



That's biblical, too.


70 posted on 03/23/2006 12:55:48 PM PST by azhenfud (He who always is looking up seldom finds others' lost change.)
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To: FormerLib

Of course Jesus would have told them immigrate legally, just as he told the woman to sin no more. Doesn't mean that the Church helping someone regardless of their immigration status should be criminalized. If you keep reading Romans 13 (after the "Christians should obey the government and pay taxes" part), we are to love our neighbors as ourselves.


71 posted on 03/23/2006 12:56:08 PM PST by clawrence3
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To: clawrence3; Fruit of the Spirit; Blueflag; Travis McGee; Holicheese; Dante3; infidel29; Waco
Do you think the Church helping someone regardless of their immigration status should be criminalized?

I think that people working for any church should obey the law just as the rest of us are required to do.

72 posted on 03/23/2006 12:57:11 PM PST by FormerLib (Kosova: "land stolen from Serbs and given to terrorist killers in a futile attempt to appease them.")
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To: FormerLib

What if the law directly conflicts with Romans 13:8-10?


73 posted on 03/23/2006 12:58:16 PM PST by clawrence3
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To: clawrence3
Of course Jesus would have told them immigrate legally, just as he told the woman to sin no more.

Correct!

Doesn't mean that the Church helping someone regardless of their immigration status should be criminalized.

Why should any church act in manner contrary to what you yourself acknowledge Jesus would do? They can certainly help see to their needs while they assist the illegals in returning to their country of origin and can certainly assist them with immigrating in a legal manner.

If you keep reading Romans 13 (after the "Christians should obey the government and pay taxes" part), we are to love our neighbors as ourselves.

I would immigrate legally and would expect my neighbor to do so as well.

74 posted on 03/23/2006 1:01:27 PM PST by FormerLib (Kosova: "land stolen from Serbs and given to terrorist killers in a futile attempt to appease them.")
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To: clawrence3
You and Hillary both seem to have the same misunderstanding about the parable of the Good Samaritan.

The Good Samaritan was the one who did the "helping" -- he wasn't the one who was being helped. So the parable would only have any relevance to HR 4437 if the proposed legislation prohibited wealthy Mexicans from embarking on charitable ventures here in the U.S.

75 posted on 03/23/2006 1:02:03 PM PST by Alberta's Child
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To: FormerLib

You, and everyone else, can read HR 4437 here:

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtext.xpd?bill=h109-4437

Please guarantee that the following will NOT be used against a Christian shelter offering food and a roof over your head, regardless of immigration status:

". . . assists, encourages, directs, or induces a person to reside in or remain in the United States, or to attempt to reside in or remain in the United States, knowing or in reckless disregard of the fact that such person is an alien who lacks lawful authority to reside in or remain in the United States"


76 posted on 03/23/2006 1:02:59 PM PST by clawrence3
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To: radiohead

I heard that, too. I also turned down the volume on the second replay. Too much crap for me.


77 posted on 03/23/2006 1:03:33 PM PST by butternut_squash_bisque (The recipe's at my FR HomePage)
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To: Crackingham
She's reading from the same Bible her husband toted around to church during his term. It was revised and edited for bill. In the beginning and Amen are all that was left. Hillary has made one small change, though. She's ammended it to read Awomen.
78 posted on 03/23/2006 1:03:37 PM PST by small voice in the wilderness (If the ledge fails, is it still considered suicide?)
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To: clawrence3
What if the law directly conflicts with Romans 13:8-10?

Unless someone's rewritten Romans to include "Hide the illegal immigrant even though you know they are doing wrong" then the law as written does not.

So, protest abortion clinics much? There the law certainly contradicts the teachings of Jesus Christ.

79 posted on 03/23/2006 1:04:17 PM PST by FormerLib (Kosova: "land stolen from Serbs and given to terrorist killers in a futile attempt to appease them.")
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To: Alberta's Child

I don't "misunderstand" the Parable at all. Please guarantee that the following will NOT be used against some modern-day Good Samaritan offering food, medical care, and a roof over the head of an illegal alien:

". . . assists, encourages, directs, or induces a person to reside in or remain in the United States, or to attempt to reside in or remain in the United States, knowing or in reckless disregard of the fact that such person is an alien who lacks lawful authority to reside in or remain in the United States"


80 posted on 03/23/2006 1:05:10 PM PST by clawrence3
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