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To: Clemenza

Poor argument, asking for proof of something you simply don't WANT to believe in.

Why don't you tell us why and how our universe was created from nothing? You can't, because there is no evidence for evolution and a big bang event. Evolution takes faith to believe, and that is the basic definition of a religion.

Darwin's theory of evolution is based upon observable adaptations of living creatures, (birds all related to each other). His theory is "micro-evolution", or better described as natural adaptation to a current environment. This is easily observable, but it is wholely different than what people want to argue over and don't have a clue about. There is absolutely no proof or evidence for an animal EVER evolving into a new species. "Macro-evolution" (one species turning into another after millions of years) simply doesn't exist, has never existed, and will never be proven.

There is proof that humans and dinosaurs lived at the same time (in fossil records), proof of a world wide cataclysmic event (layers of flood sediment uniform around the entire globe), proof that petrification doesn't take millions of years (actual experiments showing it can be done in weeks), and proof of living creatures that were supposedly extinct millions of years ago (but somehow still living).

Do some honest research, and quit regurgitating old misproven theories and stories. The facts are available, and I hope people learn them for themselves.


19 posted on 03/14/2006 12:10:45 PM PST by FreedomWatcher
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To: FreedomWatcher
There is no PHYSICAL evidence to support a "creator." There is plenty of physical evidence, however, that points to the evolution of flora and fauna on this earth.

Those of you folks that be drinkin' the juice (many of whom, btw, are Democratic voters, black women being the largest group believing in creationism, hence voiding creationists attempts to make this a lib vs. conservative argument) aint gonna be taken seriously until you submit your pseudoscience to rigourous peer review.

20 posted on 03/14/2006 12:18:11 PM PST by Clemenza
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To: FreedomWatcher

Would you accept if ID was taught as something other than science, perhaps an alternative literature or cultural course?


21 posted on 03/14/2006 12:29:35 PM PST by HEY4QDEMS (No animals were harmed during the creation of this post.)
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To: FreedomWatcher
There is proof that humans and dinosaurs lived at the same time (in fossil records), proof of a world wide cataclysmic event (layers of flood sediment uniform around the entire globe),

Could you please post or cite some evidence for either of these beliefs.

22 posted on 03/14/2006 12:29:35 PM PST by Coyoteman (I love the sound of beta decay in the morning!)
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To: FreedomWatcher
"Why don't you tell us why and how our universe was created from nothing? You can't, because there is no evidence for evolution and a big bang event."

It's always amusing to see anti-evos link the Big Bang, a cosmological theory, with evolution, a biological theory. They have absolutely NOTHING to do with one another. Evolutionary theory developed a hundred years before the BB was formulated. And the BB was actually WORSE for the theory of evolution than the previous theory in cosmology, the Steady Sate Model, in the sense it put a constraint on how long evolution had to work. The Big Bang made the amount of time evolution had to work finite, while the earlier Steady State Model had an infinite universe, with no beginning.

"There is proof that humans and dinosaurs lived at the same time..."

Um, no.

BTW, ID says the Earth is billions of years old, and that evolution happened, just that it was directed by a *designer* (which, according to Behe, could be dead). Your claims above are NOT ID, but YEC.

" proof of a world wide cataclysmic event "

Nope.

"proof that petrification doesn't take millions of years (actual experiments showing it can be done in weeks)"

Nope.

"and proof of living creatures that were supposedly extinct millions of years ago (but somehow still living)."

A handful out of millions of extinct species. And most of these are NOT the same species as the ones in the fossil record millions of years ago, but the same FAMILY.
23 posted on 03/14/2006 12:57:30 PM PST by CarolinaGuitarman ("There is grandeur in this view of life...")
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To: FreedomWatcher
Why don't you tell us why and how our universe was created from nothing?

I don't know. But I'd prefer to investigate using tools of rational inquiry, rather than attributing it to magic and thinking that I've learned something.

You can't, because there is no evidence for evolution and a big bang event.

Hilariously incorrect.

25 posted on 03/14/2006 2:05:45 PM PST by ThinkDifferent (Chloe rocks)
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To: FreedomWatcher

Do you really think that millions of scientists are conspiring to keep information contrary to evolution out of academia? There are hundreds of websites, books, community college classes, etc that could clarify these very naive claims for you but it seems that creationists aren't willing to do some simple unbiased research to learn more about why 99.999% of scientists agree about the Theory of Evolution. I don't think I could put it any better than you did:

"Do some honest research, and quit regurgitating old misproven theories and stories. The facts are available, and I hope people learn them for themselves."


30 posted on 03/14/2006 8:26:41 PM PST by freerepublic007
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To: FreedomWatcher
proof of a world wide cataclysmic event (layers of flood sediment uniform around the entire globe),

I am intrigued. How do you explain angular unconformities in a flood sedimentation model?

158 posted on 03/17/2006 11:21:20 AM PST by Thatcherite (I'm Pat Henry, I'm the real Pat Henry, All the other Pat Henry's are just imitators...)
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