Posted on 03/07/2006 2:34:37 PM PST by SirLinksalot
Darwin smacked in new U.S. poll
Whopping 69 percent of Americans want alternate theories in classroom
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Posted: March 7, 2006 5:00 p.m. Eastern
© 2006 WorldNetDaily.com
A new poll shows 69 percent of Americans believe public school teachers should present both the evidence for and against Darwinian evolution.
The Zogby International survey indicated only 21 percent think biology teachers should teach only Darwin's theory of evolution and the scientific evidence that supports it.
A majority of Americans from every sub-group were at least twice as likely to prefer this approach to science education, the Zogby study showed.
About 88 percent of Americans 18-29 years old were in support, along with 73 percent of Republicans and 74 percent of independent voters.
Others who strongly support teaching the strengths and weaknesses of evolutionary theory include African-Americans (69 percent), 35-54 year-olds (70 percent) and Democrats (60 percent).
Casey Luskin, program officer for public policy and legal affairs with Discovery Institute's Center for Science and Culture said while his group does not favor mandating the teaching of intelligent design, "we do think it is constitutional for teachers to discuss it precisely because the theory is based upon scientific evidence not religious premises."
The Seattle-based Discovery Institute is the leading promoter of the theory of Intelligent Design, which has been at the center of challenges in federal court over the teaching of evolution in public school classes. Advocates say it draws on recent discoveries in physics, biochemistry and related disciplines that indicate some features of the natural world are best explained as the product of an intelligent cause rather than an undirected process such as natural selection.
"The public strongly agrees that students should be permitted to learn about such evidence," Luskin said.
The Discovery Institute noted Americans also support students learning about evidence for intelligent design alongside evolution in biology class 77 percent.
Just over half 51 percent agree strongly with that. Only 19 percent disagree.
As WorldNetDaily reported, more than 500 scientists with doctoral degrees have signed a statement expressing skepticism about Darwin's theory of evolution.
The statement, which includes endorsement by members of the prestigious U.S. National Academy of Sciences and Russian Academy of Sciences, was first published by the Discovery Institute in 2001 to challenge statements about Darwinian evolution made in promoting PBS's "Evolution" series.
The PBS promotion claimed "virtually every scientist in the world believes the theory to be true."
Or 401 if PH is still stirring.
How do you feel about teaching the idea that life may have originated from outer space? In science class?
I have demonstrated here how this paper does the same thing. And it certainly isn't by creationists. I don't need to look up Morton's demon. You are a perfect example of it in action.
Waht proof would be offered to support the theory?
Science is not the art of "what if".
Yeah...but this could be the only Crevo thread ever to include the Three Faces of Jacko.
The real numbers are probably much higher.
I got push polled the other day.
My responses must have not been what they wanted.
The automated system skipped question 3 all together.
A math Phd that I work with, a liberal and atheist, is particularly motivated to help the Democrats and hates Bush because he thinks that Bush will force his kids to pray in school and learn about Christian creationism in science class.
There are enough bogus reasons for liberals to work for Democrats already, without creationists waving another red flag in front of the bull. Creationism in public schools will serve no purpose, because it can be taught in churches all anyone can want. Teaching creationism doesn't stop another abortion. Teaching creationism doesn't make better Hollywood movies. All creationism is, is an emotional issue that a few people have seized on to make a living with. That's it. It doesn't improve any Christian's lives, solves nothing, doesn't put a single terrorist in jail or bring another person to Jesus (indeed, chases them away, as it did me).
That some people just don't get this, or don't care, just amazes me.
And almost half the voteing public voted for a known moron Al Gore too in 2000, whats that prove.. ALL of Massachucetts is brain damaged.. and most of California.. And most of the people on Social Security DON'T think SSA is socialism incarnate.. Try to find a republican that would turn DOWN a government check.. I'm for teaching devolution in the schools.. We are devolved from chimps..
(beating my head against the wall)
Even if that's true, it doesn't answer my question: what does changing species have to do with God's plan?
BTW, where did God say such a thing? This is the first I've heard of it.
... this is common characteristics in DNA segments where a difference would have no effect on physical characteristics of the organism.
*no perceptible effect* might work. Has this just been calculated or has someone actually run experiments to determine it?
It doesn't get more loaded than that. It's like saying, "The trial of Saddam Hussein should also include the evidence that Mr. Hussein is a magical democracy fairy who was put on earth to bring peace to the Middle East."
It's a red herring because it's a red herring. Creationist logic.
If you believe that God can cause thunderstorms by the scientifically explained evaporation and condensing, then why is it impossible for God to cause human existence by the scientifically explained evolution?
I'd particularly enjoy it if you'd bring up some Bible verses to describe Gods creation of weather events, and compare it to the Bible's description of the creation of life and humans. I'd wager that the Bible says something to the effect that God makes the weather, and God creates life. In neither instance does the Bible describe the scientific basics, for either weather, or creation via evolution.
As for your "gains and loses" tree, you're making the assumption that entire ERV virus sections in total are inserted and removed. DNA doesn't work like that. Examine the abstract in one of the above posts, and note that it talks about the human HERV site, and that it was undisturbed by any insertion. DNA is a chain of zillions of base pairs, and once you insert an entire section, it becomes one with the genome, and it doesn't remove itself as a single entity.
I said it was a red herring. My discussion was the paper on ERV. You can try to change the subject to depth charging octopi, but it would still be a red herring.
Actually, I don't remember any such thing. Perhaps you'd best diagram the relevant sentence in the abstract, which is all we have of the paper.
As for Morton's demon, if you're claiming that both of us are afflicted, fine. You will need to make far more precise arguments than just making broad claims. I will attempt to do the same.
That makes sense.
From which schools did you get your degrees?
Creationist logic, that means it's a red herring. I get it.
My discussion was the paper on ERV.
Yeah. What about it? Your original post about the paper claimed it demolished the idea that ERVs can be used to track evolution. But the abstract specifically said otherwise. Please post an explanation for why I am wrong. Be specific.
You can try to change the subject to depth charging octopi, but it would still be a red herring.
Your Morton's demon is allowing you to deliberately miss my point. The Bible said God is the creator, but doesn't give any significant detail about how He did this. Same with thunderstorms.
If you believe God causes thunderstorms, then why aren't you railing at classes about the weather that mention evaporation and condensation? After all, God created the weather, and that's it. No mention of evaporation should be allowed in your world, if you are to remain consistent with your claim that evolution should be ignored.
No. Can you show one post ever by me that advocated or supported either six day/6K earth creationsim or intelligent design?
I never have because I don't. But, pointing out ignorance and idiocy of pompous buffoons who do not understand the biology they ostensibly champion makes your head spin and you are not able to actually comprehend an objective view point vis-a-vis science or that someone can not hate and want to stifle those who do believe ID or creationism who doesn't share those views.
So go ahead, I challenge you to find one post ever when I advocated either ID or creationsim.
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