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What Is the Value of Algebra?
The Washington Post ^ | February 16, 2006 | Richard Cohen

Posted on 03/07/2006 10:12:59 AM PST by RBroadfoot

None, according to Richard Cohen of the Washington Post.

EXCERPT: I am haunted by Gabriela Ocampo. ... failing algebra six times in six semesters, trying it a seventh time and finally just despairing over ever getting it.

The L.A. school district now requires all students to pass a year of algebra ...

Here's the thing, Gabriela: You will never need to know algebra. I have never once used it and never once even rued that I could not use it. ...

Gabriela, sooner or later someone's going to tell you that algebra teaches reasoning. This is a lie propagated by, among others, algebra teachers. Writing is the highest form of reasoning. This is a fact. Algebra is not. The proof of this, Gabriela, is all the people in my high school who were whizzes at math but did not know a thing about history and could not write a readable English sentence. ...

Algebra ruined many a day for me. Now it could ruin your life.

(Excerpt) Read more at washingtonpost.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Government
KEYWORDS: education; matheducation
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To: cripplecreek
Guess I just didn't realize how much I've suffered over the years by depriving myself of algebra. (yeah it's sarcasm)

I never said you were deprived. You asked a question. I answered it. Any time you "figure out" something by doing math on the numbers you are given, you are performing algebra.

SD

241 posted on 03/07/2006 11:19:43 AM PST by SoothingDave
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To: cripplecreek

I'm 42 and taking it at the local college. (I want to go into a cardio vascular tech course and you can't start the course without having it first.)
Its hard , I had to start all the way at the bottom in 05 Math. You have to have a really good teacher. You also have to remember every stinking math rule they teach you.
This week we are factoring polyinomials...fun fun


242 posted on 03/07/2006 11:19:49 AM PST by linn37 (Have you hugged your Phlebotomist today?)
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To: martin_fierro
If x = Ping, solve for y.

y = Because I said so.

243 posted on 03/07/2006 11:20:19 AM PST by savedbygrace (SECURE THE BORDERS FIRST (I'M YELLING ON PURPOSE))
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To: shelterguy
There is a diffrence between "idiot" and "ignorant".

I agree with that...yet I was called idiotic for admitting I do not excel in a subject many people struggle with. If a person struggles in word recognition from dislexia, are they idiotic?

244 posted on 03/07/2006 11:20:45 AM PST by smith288 (http://angryprogrammer.typepad.com)
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To: Vision
Algebra isn't that difficult

That depends on the teacher.

245 posted on 03/07/2006 11:21:12 AM PST by Moonman62 (Federal creed: If it moves tax it. If it keeps moving regulate it. If it stops moving subsidize it)
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To: Tokra

Not only that but without using algebra he woulndn't know how much paint was needed to complete the job. From bargain shopping, to home improvements projects, craft projects and general deductive reasoning, more algebra is used than most people ever dream of.


246 posted on 03/07/2006 11:21:25 AM PST by Brytani (Democrats - destroying America since 1868)
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To: RBroadfoot

As a jeweler, I use algebra every day to calculated gold content at current market values. I have to explain the math to more and more people lately as gold prices have been going up.


247 posted on 03/07/2006 11:21:55 AM PST by DocRock
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To: MineralMan

I see such a decline in people being able to figure stuff out if they are not in front of a keyboard that it scares me. My brother is a MBA yet he is amazed that I can measure something, cut it and it fits without all the trial and error. It is all just basic algebra.


248 posted on 03/07/2006 11:22:21 AM PST by shelterguy (I can hear "Jimi".)
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To: smith288
But you cite examples of stuff that require extensive training. Algebra, the subject of discussion, is no more than Junior High math.

Algebra is not advanced math.


249 posted on 03/07/2006 11:22:37 AM PST by Toby06
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To: smith288

You're asking me? I can't even spell
" difference".


250 posted on 03/07/2006 11:23:49 AM PST by shelterguy (I can hear "Jimi".)
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To: Moonman62

I just mean the level of math. I understand it can be hard for kids but it's not that bad


251 posted on 03/07/2006 11:23:50 AM PST by Vision ("There are no limits to growth because there are no limits of human intelligence" Ronald Reagan)
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To: Red Badger
If DeShawn sells 27 crack rocks at ten dollars each, and then takes the money and buys a new Saturday Night Special, how many pimps can he whack in the next two nights before the cops can trace the bullets?.......

If Tito is issued X number of condoms in his health science course, how many gay prostitutes can he have sex with before he realizes he contracted AIDS because of George W. Bush?

252 posted on 03/07/2006 11:23:54 AM PST by Euro-American Scum (A poverty-stricken middle class must be a disarmed middle class)
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To: Alberta's Child
[...the name "al-Khowarizmi" is the origin of the word algorithm, which is a term used to describe a repetitive, or iterative, process of solving a problem.]


And the name Al Gore is the origin of the word "Algorism" which is a term used to describe the false belief that one is the inventor of things which existed before your time.
253 posted on 03/07/2006 11:24:20 AM PST by spinestein (Beware the Democrat's culture of fear and hate.)
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To: trubluolyguy; Toby06
If you have ever compared prices of products in different volume containers, you have used algebra in some form.

I can do this by reading and using simple addition and subtraction


That's the simple algebra high schoolers are being asked to solve.

All you have to do is . . . read, and then do basic arithmetic to both sides of an equation.

For instance, an 8-oz bottle of your favorite shampoo is selling for $3.20, while a 12-oz bottle of the same shampoo is selling for $5.40. Which one is a good deal?

Usually we do algebra on our heads, and we solve the problem.

In a classroom, you will have to solve two equations.

8 x = 3.20
x = 3.20 / 8
x = 0.40
The small bottle sells at 40 cents per ounce.

12 x = 5.40
x = 5.40 / 12
x=45
The big bottle sells for 45 cents per ounce. Not a good deal. End of algebra
254 posted on 03/07/2006 11:24:30 AM PST by george wythe
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To: RBroadfoot
I have my BS in Computer Science with a minor in Mathematics, so I can do math. That said, I believe that the overall point is correct. Think about it. For most people, Algebra will have no relevance. Basic math (addition, subtraction, multiplication, division, fractions, decimals, and percents) is something that people are forced to do in their everyday lives, but Algebra is not.

Yes, I have had to use Algebra for things, but that is not typical. Most people just don't have any use for it. As for the common arguments that it aids reasoning and problem solving, I would submit that these skills can be acquired through other topics--topics more relevant to whatever the student actually intends to do.

This is one of the symptoms of modern education. Everyone is to be treated exactly the same and made into a Renaissance Man. The problem is that people are not that uniform. People don't learn in the same ways and do not need to know all of the same things. Today this is more true than ever.

255 posted on 03/07/2006 11:25:01 AM PST by SeƱor Zorro ("The ability to speak does not make you intelligent"--Qui-Gon Jinn)
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To: YouPosting2Me
A train leaves N.Y. City heading East at 50 MPH. How long before someone drowns?

Was Teddy driving?

256 posted on 03/07/2006 11:25:28 AM PST by N. Theknow (Kennedys - Can't drive, can't fly, can't ski, can't skipper a boat - But they know what's best.)
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To: Toby06
Algebra is not advanced math

It is vital in proofs of real and complex analysis, along with trig, unless one wishes to prove everything such as the quadratic formula and the double angle formula every time.

257 posted on 03/07/2006 11:25:28 AM PST by RightWhale (pas de lieu, Rhone que nous)
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To: ozzymandus
Any form of math that has letters in it is useless.

Base 16 hexidecimal is the basis for mainframe computing. I remember the years of tracing through COBOL core dumps looking for my S0C7 error.

-PJ

258 posted on 03/07/2006 11:25:54 AM PST by Political Junkie Too (It's still not safe to vote Democrat.)
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To: shelterguy

My son has worked in construction for the past four summers, and I've seen his math grades improve as a result. He plans to be a home builder after he earns a BS in Business Administration (he's a college freshman this year).


259 posted on 03/07/2006 11:26:39 AM PST by Quilla
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To: RinaseaofDs

I loved algebra and was a straight A student. However, in my high school -- this was 1962 -- girls did not take trig. Times have changed.


260 posted on 03/07/2006 11:27:04 AM PST by joylyn
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