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Today In History: March 6, 1836 - The Fall of The Alamo
http://www.thealamo.org/history.html ^
| 3/06/06
Posted on 03/06/2006 8:54:11 AM PST by MplsSteve
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Today is the 170th anniversary of the fall of the Alamo, an epic battle that almost everyone has heard of.
Though I'm not a Texan, I'm reminded of their sacrifice every year. Today, take a moment and think how the defenders of the Alamo stood up to foreign tyranny and said "Enough!"
Click on the source URL for great information regarding the battle and events being held in San Antonio regarding the anniversary/commemoration.
TOPICS: Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: alamo; americanhistory; battle; remember; texas
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To: MplsSteve
My cousin Isaac Ryan died there, on the north wall, near the cannon. His name is on a plaque there. I am supposed to be scanning and mailing all of his papers to the Alamo. I keep forgetting. I have his parents' marriage license and his baptism certif.
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posted on
03/06/2006 10:28:42 AM PST
by
buffyt
(America will never seek a permission slip to defend the security of our people. Pres. George Bush)
To: shezza
My cousin....
RYAN, ISAAC (1805-1836). Isaac Ryan, Alamo defender, son of Jacob and Marie (Hartgrove) Ryan, was born at St. Landry Parish, Louisiana, on March 1, 1805. He took part in the siege of Bexar and served in the Alamo garrison as a member of Capt. Robert White's infantry company, the Bexar Guards. Ryan died in the battle of the Alamo on March 6, 1836.
http://www.the-alamo-san-antonio.com/html/alamo-heroes.htm
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posted on
03/06/2006 10:37:11 AM PST
by
buffyt
(America will never seek a permission slip to defend the security of our people. Pres. George Bush)
To: MplsSteve
"There I was, standing shoulder-to-shoulder with Davy Crockett and Jim Bowie, staring down Santa Anna, outnumbered a hundred-to-one!"
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posted on
03/06/2006 10:51:55 AM PST
by
Jonah Hex
("How'd you get that scar, mister?" "Nicked myself shaving.")
To: shezza
Thanks! We'll never forget!
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posted on
03/06/2006 11:04:06 AM PST
by
N8VTXNinWV
(Proud Texan)
To: MplsSteve
25
posted on
03/06/2006 12:05:51 PM PST
by
Redbob
To: Spktyr
Well, it was 4 PM, so the Mexicans would've been "napping" whether they were tired or not. That's siesta. Santa Anna was otherwise occupied, I'm sure you've heard.
Miss Emily West, liege to Col. James Morgan (so, sometimes identified as Emily Morgan) of Morgan's Point, was entertaining el jefe en flagranto y con opium, which helped hasten his surrender.
Miss Emily, who was of mixed blood, is known to many as The Yellow Rose of Texas, and was the sweetest little rosebud that Texas ever grew (though she was from New Haven, CT, possibly Jamaica before that). A heroic Texian.
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posted on
03/06/2006 12:06:36 PM PST
by
Rte66
To: john316
"Many thanks to those brave souls from Tennessee!"
. . . and Vermont, North Carolina, Kentucky, Arkansas, Missouri, Scotland, Virginia, South Carolina, Pennsylvania, Alabama, Ireland, New Jersey, Germany, Massachusetts, New York, Louisiana, Ohio, Connecticut, Wales, Illinois, Rhode Island, Georgia, Mississippi, Maryland, and Denmark -- not necessarily in that order.
Those were the homes of the heroes of the Alamo, God bless them all.
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posted on
03/06/2006 12:43:17 PM PST
by
Jedidah
To: MplsSteve
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posted on
03/06/2006 1:25:58 PM PST
by
uglybiker
(Don't blame me. I didn't make you stupid.)
To: Jedidah
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posted on
03/06/2006 6:34:20 PM PST
by
Rte66
To: bayourant
The background of the Austin Colony was that Mexico--and Spain befoe them-- was not strong enough to hold Texas against the Indians, particularly the Comanche. The Anglos were invited to establish what amounted to a buffer state. They were famous as "indian fighters." The Comanches were known as the Lords of the South Plains, and the deserved the title. For a small "tribe" they were immensely effective, controlling the huge area between the Arkansas River and the Gulf. More like their range, since they were relatively few in number. Best horsemen in the world. They looked like Mongols and rode like them, even better horsemen that the Mexicans--which is saying a lot. Anyway, the Mexicans brought in the Anglos and found they were unruly.
Santa Anna realized they had to be tamed--they along the the Tejanos, the Mexicans in the region who did not like his dictatorship. So be made up a strike force and crossed over in Texas in the dead of winter--no small feat.
And reached San Antonio faster than the Texians could react. Houston wanted the garrison in San Antonio to abandon their "fort" and pull back to join him. Didn't happen, in part because Crockett showed up with a small force.
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posted on
03/06/2006 6:54:33 PM PST
by
RobbyS
( CHIRHO)
To: bayourant
"Just curious to what Texans think about the issue. I myself see a more valid reason for this as Manifold Destiny and as a natural consequence of what nations did at the time." I don't know how serious you are about this:
"Manifold Destiny and as a natural consequence of what nations did at the time.." is not all that clear.
But "manifold destiny" could not apply beyond as a reference to the nature of the individuals involved...not some American plot to take land from a peaceful neighbor.
The majority of those defending the Alamo and fighting on afterward (to victory) were more pioneers and individualists than anything else. There were a goodly number of mexican born pioneers in that mix!
The 'war' started when the M - oops - mexican government reneged on promises, dropped the constitution and rules under which the Texacans/Texans had settled...
The original fight was over having the ground rules changed under them.
In that regard, not much different from another 'revolution' 25 or so years later, even though it was in another country.
"Manifest destiny" and "slavery" just make it more palatable in today's polite society.
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posted on
03/06/2006 7:09:51 PM PST
by
norton
(did you know that 'Texacans' comes out as 'taxi cabs' in spell check?)...(Texicans?)
To: norton
"Manifold destiny" versus "Manifest destiny"
Oddly enough,
on re-reading,
I got it right.
(whoopie)
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posted on
03/06/2006 7:13:43 PM PST
by
norton
To: Rte66
All "G.T.T."
Yep. And never left, clearing paths for the rest of us.
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posted on
03/06/2006 7:19:15 PM PST
by
Jedidah
To: Spktyr
My great Uncle was stationed on the USS Texas and I have an early Panorama photo of the ship and crew.
To: RobbyS
And if Fannin hadn't been so scared of his own shadow and if he'd actually sent the requested reinforcements, the Alamo might have held and Santa Anna might have been defeated then and there. With no supplies (he was foraging off the land and had no supply lines), he would have been presented with a quandry. Either surround the fort with a token force and bypass them (thus losing much 'face' and becoming a laughingstock in his mind) or sit there and wait until he'd scavenged the country bare and risk an assault by a prepared and entrenched enemy.
Urrea's forces were another matter - but in the end Fannin turned out to be a completely useless commander; he frittered away his life and the lives of the troops in his care, so it wouldn't have mattered anyway.
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posted on
03/06/2006 9:18:56 PM PST
by
Spktyr
(Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
To: bayourant
And over and above all, there's no real reason why anyone should have to wonder what tyranny the Texians were subject to. They laid it all out in the Texas Declaration Of Independence, which still rings down the century plus since it was first set to paper.
I posted it here earlier: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1588615/posts
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posted on
03/06/2006 9:23:19 PM PST
by
Spktyr
(Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
To: Redbob
Amen, done, and done - from the website you linked:
|
Defender's Name
|
Birthplace
|
|
Abamillo, Juan |
TX |
|
Allen, Robert |
VA |
|
Andross, Miles DeForrest |
VT |
|
Autry, Micajah |
NC |
|
Badillo, Juan A. |
TX |
|
Bailey, Peter James III |
KY |
|
Baker, Isaac G. |
AR |
|
Baker, William Charles M. |
MO |
|
Ballentine, John J. |
PA |
|
Ballantine, Richard W. |
Scotland |
|
Baugh, John J. |
VA |
|
Bayliss, Joseph |
TN |
|
Blair, John |
TN |
|
Blair, Samuel |
TN |
|
Blazeby, William |
England |
|
Bonham, James Butler |
SC |
|
Bourne, Daniel |
England |
|
Bowie, James |
KY |
|
Bowman, Jesse B. |
TN |
|
Brown, George |
England |
|
Brown, James |
PA |
|
Brown, Robert |
unknown |
|
Buchanan, James |
AL |
|
Burns, Samuel E. |
Ireland |
|
Butler, George, D. |
MO |
|
Cain, John |
PA |
|
Campbell, Robert |
TN |
|
Carey, William R. |
VA |
|
Clark, Charles Henry |
MO |
|
Clark, M.B. |
MS |
|
Cloud, Daniel William |
KY |
|
Cochran, Robert E. |
NH |
|
Cottle, George Washington |
MO |
|
Courtman, Henry |
Germany |
|
Crawford, Lemuel |
SC |
|
Crockett, David |
TN |
|
Crossman, Robert |
PA |
|
Cummings, David P. |
PA |
|
Cunningham, Robert |
NY |
|
Darst, Jacob C. |
KY |
|
Davis, John |
KY |
|
Day, Freeman H.K. |
unknown |
|
Day, Jerry C. |
MO |
|
Daymon, Squire |
TN |
|
Dearduff, William |
TN |
|
Dennison, Stephen |
England or Ireland |
|
Despallier, Charles |
LA |
|
Dewall, Lewis |
NY |
|
Dickinson, Almeron |
TN |
|
Dillard, John Henry |
TN |
|
Dimpkins, James R. |
England |
|
Duvalt, Andrew |
Ireland |
|
Espalier, Carlos |
TX |
|
Esparza, Gregorio |
TX |
|
Evans, Robert |
Ireland |
|
Evans, Samuel B. |
NY |
|
Ewing, James L. |
TN |
|
Faunterloy, William Keener |
KY |
|
Fishbaugh, William |
unknown |
|
Flanders, John |
MA |
|
Floyd, Dolphin Ward |
NC |
|
Forsyth, John Hubbard |
NY |
|
Fuentes, Antonio |
TX |
|
Fuqua, Galba |
AL |
|
Garnett, William |
VA |
|
Garrand, James W. |
LA |
|
Garrett, James Girard |
TN |
|
Garvin, John E. |
unknown |
|
Gaston, John E. |
KY |
|
George, James |
unknown |
|
Goodrich, John C. |
VA |
|
Grimes, Albert Calvin |
GA |
|
Guerrero, José María |
TX |
|
Gwynne, James C. |
England |
|
Hannum, James |
PA |
|
Harris, John |
KY |
|
Harrison, Andrew Jackson |
TN |
|
Harrison, William B |
OH |
|
Hawkins, Joseph M. |
Ireland |
|
Hays, John M. |
TN |
|
Heiskell, Charles M. |
TN |
|
Herndon, Patrick Henry |
VA |
|
Hersee, William Daniel |
England |
|
Holland, Tapley |
OH |
|
Holloway, Samuel |
PA |
|
Howell, William D. |
MA |
|
Jackson, Thomas |
Ireland |
|
Jackson, William Daniel |
KY |
|
Jameson, Green B. |
KY |
|
Jennings, Gordon C. |
CT |
|
Jimenes (Ximenes), Damacio |
TX |
|
Johnson, Lewis |
Wales |
|
Johnson, William |
PA |
|
Jones, John |
NY |
|
Kellog, John Benjamin |
KY |
|
Kenney, James |
VA |
|
Kent, Andrew |
KY |
|
Kerr, Joseph |
LA |
|
Kimbell, George C. |
PA |
|
King, William Philip |
TX |
|
Lewis, William Irvine |
VA |
|
Lightfoot, William J. |
VA |
|
Lindley, Jonathan L. |
IL |
|
Linn, William |
MA |
|
Losoya, Toribio |
TX |
|
Main, George Washington |
|
|
Malone, William T. |
GA |
|
Marshall, William |
TN |
|
Martin, Albert |
RI |
|
McCafferty, Edward |
unknown |
|
McCoy, Jesse |
TN |
|
McDowell, William |
PA |
|
McGee, James |
Ireland |
|
McGregor, John |
Scotland |
|
McKinney, Robert |
TN |
|
Melton, Eliel |
GA |
|
Miller, Thomas R. |
TN |
|
Mills, William |
TN |
|
Millsaps, Isaac |
MS |
|
Mitchell, Edwin T. |
unknown |
|
Mitchell, Napoleon B. |
unknown |
|
Mitchusson, Edward F. |
VA |
|
Moore, Robert B. |
VA |
|
Moore, Willis A. |
MS |
|
Musselman, Robert |
OH |
|
Nava, Andrés |
TX |
|
Neggan, George |
SC |
|
Nelson, Andrew M. |
TN |
|
Nelson, Edward |
SC |
|
Nelson, George |
SC |
|
Northcross, James |
VA |
|
Nowlan, James |
England |
|
Pagan, George |
unknown |
|
Parker, Christopher Adam |
unknown |
|
Parks, William |
NC |
|
Perry, Richardson |
TX |
|
Pollard, Amos |
MA |
|
Reynolds, John Purdy |
PA |
|
Roberts, Thomas H. |
unknown |
|
Robertson, James Waters |
TN |
|
Robinson, Isaac |
Scotland |
|
Rose, James M. |
OH |
|
Rusk, Jackson J. |
Ireland |
|
Rutherford, Joseph |
KY |
|
Ryan, Isaac |
LA |
|
Scurlock, Mial |
NC |
|
Sewell, Marcus L. |
England |
|
Shied, Manson |
GA |
|
Simmons, Cleveland Kinlock |
SC |
|
Smith, Andrew H. |
|
|
Smith, Charles S. |
MD |
|
Smith, Joshua G. |
NC |
|
Smith, William H. |
unknown |
|
Starr, Richard |
England |
|
Stewart, James E. |
England |
|
Stockton, Richard L. |
NJ |
|
Summerlin, A. Spain |
TN |
|
Summers, William E. |
TN |
|
Sutherland, William DePriest |
unknown |
|
Taylor, Edward |
TN |
|
Taylor, George |
TN |
|
Taylor, James |
TN |
|
Taylor, William |
TN |
|
Thomas, B. Archer M. |
KY |
|
Thomas, Henry |
Germany |
|
Thompson, Jesse G. |
AR |
|
Thomson, John W. |
NC |
|
Thruston, John, M. |
PA |
|
Trammel, Burke |
Ireland |
|
Travis, William Barret |
SC |
|
Tumlinson, George W. |
MO |
|
Tylee, James |
NY |
|
Walker, Asa |
TN |
|
Walker, Jacob |
TN |
|
Ward, William B. |
Ireland |
|
Warnell, Henry |
unknown |
|
Washington, Joseph G. |
KY |
|
Waters, Thomas |
England |
|
Wells, William |
GA |
|
White, Isaac |
AL or KY |
|
White, Robert |
unknown |
|
Williamson, Hiram James |
PA |
|
Wills, William |
unknown |
|
Wilson, David L. |
Scotland |
|
Wilson, John |
PA |
|
Wolf, Anthony |
unknown |
|
Wright, Claiborne |
NC |
|
Zanco, Charles |
Denmark |
|
___?___, John |
a Black Freedman |
|
|
|
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posted on
03/06/2006 9:28:50 PM PST
by
Spktyr
(Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
To: bayourant
Manifold Destiny should be Manifest Destiny.
Manifold denotes the exhaust system on your car, while Manifest is clearly evident.
38
posted on
03/06/2006 9:29:09 PM PST
by
ChadGore
(VISUALIZE 62,041,268 Bush fans. We Vote.)
To: sionnsar
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posted on
03/06/2006 9:36:26 PM PST
by
decal
(Whoever said you can't fool all the people all the time has never visited DU...)
To: Spktyr
I don't know, but I think that Santa Anna brought up his force very quickly, and the Texians didn't have enough men to man the walls. Got to give him credit for generalship and his men for their bravery. His mistake was fchasing the Texians too far. The closer he got to the Lousiana border, the closer he got to the American forces there, and remember: Andrew Jackson was president and he didn't respect Spanish boundaries. Never can prove it, but Houston was probably Jackson's agent provocateur
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posted on
03/06/2006 9:42:27 PM PST
by
RobbyS
( CHIRHO)
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