Neoconservatives: The new hippies

Daily Colonial ^ | Wednesday, February 22 2006 | Danny Kampf

[CowboyJay]

"I think you have an erroneous view of their agenda. They are empire-builders, pure and simple."

Ya hit it right on the head, bub.

History shows that kingdoms fade, empires fall, alliances change.

Only truly free and independent nations have stood the test of time. Ya can't impose Democracy, and ya' can't buy peace. You can only buy time.

[MissouriConservative]

"Kissingerian, Wilsonian idealism, Trotskyites"

Why is that liberals use labels such as this to try to sound educated? Labels limit people and are rather a weak argument. When you reduce yourself to fitting people in your idea of labels, you've lost the battle.....it's something that liberals have yet to grasp.

It amazes me what people write these days.

[familyop]

"i mean this guy is comparing neocons and trotzkyites by an aspect of foreign politics. shouldn't you try to dismiss THAT point?"

That's true. It probably wouldn't been nicer than my attempt to get someone's goat, too. ;-)

[familyop]

...would've been nicer, even.

[M. Espinola]

Thanks for re-posting the true anti-American sentiments of the Putin Promoters on FR.

This pro-Putin, pro-Russian element should not be allowed to spread their non-stop attacks on America in favour of the likes of the corrupt Russian totalitarian, KGB Putin, who continues arming America's & Israel's enemies such as Hamas, Iran, Venezuela & Syria.

[M. Espinola]

Why are on here always promoting Putin instead of America? There has to be a reason.

[Iris7]

They say it is better to keep one's mouth shut and be believed a fool than it is to open one's mouth and remove all doubt.

This Kampf guy has removed all doubt. I would describe him as an "idiot" rather than as a "fool" though.

[LowCountryJoe]

There is a big difference between installing a regime and supporting one because it just happens to be fighting an even bigger enemy at the time.

The smart thing to do here in this situation is to admit that you farked up and save your credibility. People fark up from time to time in their arguments but when one does, it's best to acknowledge it.

[thoughtomator]

I support the "neo-con" objective of spreading democracy, not out of some pseudo-divine sense of ideology or mission, but rather because it is the best way to ensure the security of our own nation. The side benefit of freeing others from tyranny - a massive one that shouldn't be discounted - is not the first purpose of spreading democracy.

[strategofr]

"What a load of Friggin crap, Now we have people here agreeing with flaming Liberals like this goof ball who wrote this nonsense. Anybody who witnessed the hippie movement of the 1960's could never draw the conclusions that this liberal has."

Agreed. It is a careful mix of truth and lies. The purpose: to demoralize and split conservatives.

The Republican Party is a coalition. We need to maintain it.

[GarySpFc]

Here in a nutshell, is the MILTIARY reason for Iraq. The War on Terrorism is different sort of war. In the war on Terrorism, we have a hidden foe, spread out across a geographically diverse area, with covert sources of supply. Since we cannot go everywhere they hide out, in fact often cannot even locate them until the engage us, we need to draw them out of hiding into a kill zone. Iraq is that kill zone. That is the true brilliance of the Iraq strategy. We draw the terrorists out of their world wide hiding places onto a battlefield they have to fight on for political reasons (The "Holy" soil of the Arabian peninsula) where they have to pit their weakest ability (Conventional Military combat power) against our greatest strength (ability to call down unbelievable amounts of firepower) where they will primarily have to fight other forces (the Iraqi Security forces) in a battlefield that is hostile to guerrilla warfare. (Iraqi-mostly open terrain as opposed to guerrilla friendly areas like the mountains of Afghanistan or the jungles of SE Asia).

I fully agree. While I would agree we should not force democracy on any country, I do not see that as our main goal in Iraq. Iraq is our meatgrinder we have setup to pulverize al-Qaeda and her ilk into blood and guts so they can meet their raisins, and we do not have to chase them all over the world nor wait for them to come to the US.

[1rudeboy]

LOL. Still fighting for the Soviets in Afghanistan.

[Grampa Dave]

"I think people are inventing labels to demonize Bush and his supporters. I doubt Bush had any deep seated desire to bring "Democracy" to the Middle East before the terrorist attacks on America. I think introducing Democracy to that part of the world is a by product of taking down the Taliban and the Butcher of Iraq and then trying to prevent Afghanistan and Iraq from falling into the hands of even worse tyrants."

Jim as usual, you are right on. It is amazing how the uber/walk on the water conservatives hate GW more than the Rats and end up sounding just like them.

[jpsb]

OMG I agree with you on a matter of some importance! Wilson was a fool and his policies are still screwing the nation up. TR was a much better "liberal" president.

[itsamelman]

Not to mention that if this administration was so NeoCon, why isn't Bill Crystal (THE KING OF NEOCONS) serving as the National Security adviser?


Billy Crystal vs. Billy Krystol

[jpsb]

It is hard to find the application of a consistent philosophy in the Bush administration. His foriegn policy does seems very Wilsonian to me, trade policy appears globalist, domestic policy appears socialist but his appointment to the court, UN, etc appear conservative, so I am at a lost to understand just what the Bush admin is.

[jpsb]

"Problem is, neoconservatism is a child of leftist liberalism."

Something folks here often forget. Thanks for reminding them.

[x5452]

(Sadly its more and more a democracy, and less and less a representative republic)

[91B]

What is a fair comment, is that Neocons are not isolationist, or protectionist, and wish the lone superpower while it can, to try to fashion the planet into a better place, to the extent practicable and prudent.

Amen to that. I have been to Iraq twice, understand and agree with what the administration is trying to do, and believe that the paleos are almost as foolish on foreign policy as the idiot libs who are driven primarily by hatred of America's core values.

If the author and some of the posters in this thread want to play guilt by association some of the mud they sling is going to stick to them.

[jpsb]

During the cold war the USA, locked in a life and death struggle with the USSR made some difficult choices that have absolutely nothing to do with today. Yea, we are paying a price for some of those choices but we won the cold war. People often forget that and present arguments without putting then proper context, the cold war with 5,000 nuclear war heads aimed at American cities.