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After a few days of fact finding and debate, do you now support or oppose the Dubai Ports deal?
FR Poll ^

Posted on 02/24/2006 12:20:23 PM PST by Jim Robinson

FR Poll: After a few days of fact finding and debate, do you now support or oppose the Dubai Ports deal?

Support

Oppose

Undecided


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KEYWORDS: dubai; ports; uae
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To: Revel
Most port authorities are state run agencies. They build the infrastructure then lease the space to terminal operators like P&O Ports, DPW and APM. Those operators in turn bid on providing services to the steamship lines. I spent about 15 minutes on the phone the other day with a friend at the Tampa Port Authority getting educated on this.
241 posted on 02/24/2006 1:50:35 PM PST by PogySailor (Semper Fi to the 3/1 H&S Company in Haditha.)
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To: Eastbound

"That was the basis of my question in # 211 ... "Where do we begin to turn back the tide?""

Execut the leadership of the longshoreman's union. No sane American business is going to bid on running those ports when they have to deal with an asinine tax code that gives an advantage to foreign-owned corporations, an insane regulatory environment, AND being hostage to the whims of a bunch of cargo-stealing union thugs.


242 posted on 02/24/2006 1:50:36 PM PST by BeHoldAPaleHorse (Tagline deleted at request of moderator.)
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To: Jim Robinson

Oppose.

Cronyism at best.

Reckless, blatent, and un-American at worst.


243 posted on 02/24/2006 1:52:15 PM PST by WhiteGuy ("Every Generation needs a new revolution" - Jefferson)
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To: Jim Robinson

Support, although more "It's fine" rather than "I want this".


244 posted on 02/24/2006 1:52:18 PM PST by Anitius Severinus Boethius
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To: Jim Robinson

http://www.cagle.com/working/060223/ramirez.jpg


245 posted on 02/24/2006 1:53:01 PM PST by Retired Chemist
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To: CharlesWayneCT
You make good points. And what you say suggests that some revision of the work and responsibility flow needs to be made in how such deals are handled in the future. And some guidelines need to be drawn up about what industries and businesses are to be regarded as so vital to national security that no offshore entities will be allowed to own or administer them.

Of course, if it's judged that there are no such industries and businesses, that in itself would speak volumes about the direction our nation is headed.

246 posted on 02/24/2006 1:53:27 PM PST by snarks_when_bored
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To: Jim Robinson
I have no problems with who is the majority stock owner of any company. This changes nothing, in regard to our national security.

Jim, you should be ashamed of yourself, for allowings Chuck "Chucky Cheese" Schumer to dictate how you think about a political subject.

Enough said.

247 posted on 02/24/2006 1:53:46 PM PST by Hunble
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To: Jim Robinson
I am for it. After review and after digging for facts. The initial days of this was so much smoke that it took time to clear it away and find the meat of whta was actually happening. There is no fire.

Found in research on CFIUS:

Over the past 17 years, CFIUS has reviewed 1,560 cases, only 25 of which involved expanded 45-day investigations.

A CFIUS review normally takes 30 days. The panel stopped a bid by Hong Kong-based Hutchison Whampoa to buy the then-bankrupt telecommunications company Global Crossing Ltd. In 1999, the regulators also blocked a $450 million satellite sale to a Chinese-led consortium over similar concerns.

China's Lenovo Group Ltd. was approved to buy International Business Machines Corp.'s personal computer business this year despite objections from some China critics and a CFIUS review.

 Found in research on our ports:

Last updated at: (Beijing Time) Friday, January 25, 2002

COSCO, Massachusetts Port Authority Sign Terminal Services Agreement

The China Ocean Shipping Group Company (COSCO) and Massachusetts Port Authority of the United States signed a Terminal Services Agreement Thursday that will bring COSCO ships to the Port of Boston, providing a weekly direct service between Asia and Boston.

COSCO has so far opened 13 lines to US ports
Wei told the ceremony that it has been over 20 years since COSCO entered the U.S. market, and COSCO has so far opened 13 lines to bring its ships to the eastern and western ports of the United States.

english.people.com.cn/200201/25/eng20020125_89323.shtml

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Red Chinese Army Controls America's Largest
West Coast Container Port, Long Beach, California

From Tim White <phantom469366@yahoo.com>
http://educate-yourself.org/tw/coscocontrolslongbeachshipyards17sep04.shtml
Septe,ber 17, 2004

COSCO [China Ocean Shipping Company] has, since the signing of an EXECUTIVE ORDER by President Benedict Bill Klinton in January of 1998, has taken over and totally controls the former U.S. Naval Port Facilities at Long Beach, California. This port is the largest container port on the West coast of North America and is a major conduit through with our technology is being transferred to China.

What most people DON'T KNOW is the fact that COSCO is 100% owned by the PLA-the People's Liberation Army of Red China [the Red Chinese Army] . COSCO has other facilities up and down both the West and East coasts of the U.S. and the Gulf Coast along with the newest port facility that they have at Freeport,The Bahamas,which is the largest container port in the World.

COSCO is intimately linked with the WAMPOA-HUTCHINSON GROUP of Hong Kong which is 100% owned by Li Kai Sheng,of the very powerful LI family of China [top Illuminati bloodline in China], Kai Sheng is a very close associate of Chinese President Zhao Zemin.

 

Any company can be a security risk, as can any government. I do not at this time see it in this instance.

248 posted on 02/24/2006 1:54:17 PM PST by K-oneTexas (I'm not a judge and there ain't enough of me to be a jury. (Zell Miller, A National Party No More))
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To: kittymyrib
they lied when they said it was only 6 ports. Today we found out it is 21 ports.

Your lack of understanding does not equate to them lying. Being a subcontractor for a small part of a port's operation at other ports is not the same thing as being the port operator.

Facts matter.

249 posted on 02/24/2006 1:54:35 PM PST by Dog Gone
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To: Jim Robinson

Oppose.
Muslims of all stripes--shiite, sunni, baathist, wahabi--are killing our troops and beheading captives. Why should we put muslim in charge of our ports? Can you imagine Roosevelt in `43 saying, "I'm putting Italians/Germans/Japanese in charge of our ports." He would have been impeached for suggesting it.
The only hot-button issues conservatives have are enforcement of our southwestern border and national security. For urging the president to stand firm on those two things we're seen by friend & foe, in either case, as either vigilantes and/or racists.
Finally, the Demoncrats will beat us over the head with this in 8 months.


250 posted on 02/24/2006 1:54:44 PM PST by tumblindice
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To: Jim Robinson
I have voted, but I will sound off in this Phantom Poll I just created:

How good a job do you think the administration did in handling the issue?

Stellar

Good

Fair

Fair To Middlin'

Poor

Extremely Poor

I cried

MY WORD WHO DO WE HAVE RUNNING THE PR AROUND HERE, MORONS?!?!?!

I chose the latter.

SD

251 posted on 02/24/2006 1:55:17 PM PST by SerpentDove (The internet is big. "Oprah" big.)
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To: A Texan

You're welcome.

Gov. Ehrlich appeared quite upset at first and even indicated he may cancel the port lease. Maybe he fell victim to the false reporting like 99% of the people did. In any case, he seems to have taken a more reasoned approach now.



GOP Governors, Lawmakers Oppose Port Deal

http://www.localnewsleader.com/kindred/stories/index.php?action=fullnews&id=146586


252 posted on 02/24/2006 1:55:42 PM PST by blogblogginaway (..)
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To: Jim Robinson

In the first poll I voted NO. On this one, a few things have changed and I'm not automatically opposed as I was the first time around. But still not too sure. I'll hold off my vote for the time being till I'm more sure. (get down hairs on back of my neck)


253 posted on 02/24/2006 1:55:44 PM PST by processing please hold (Be careful of charity and kindness, lest you do more harm with open hands than with a clinched fist)
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To: Jim Robinson

Don't really like it, but don't oppose it. Support additional conditons be imposed on UAE contract along the lines as those proposed by Charles Krauthammer in his latest article.

Yet, if we could rid ourselves of all foreign involvement at our ports, I'd vote for that. However, since the ports are 80% foreign "managed," it seems fruitless at this point. Isn't it too late to put our foot down? Where were we all when our ports got out-sourced? Crossing fingers.


254 posted on 02/24/2006 1:57:26 PM PST by redgirlinabluestate
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To: Jim Robinson
I would support it..

But I want legislation included that provides for specific penalties...

Should any terrorist attack or activity or "equipment" be linked to the arab controlled ports, those legislators and political leaders that supported the arab's control & operation of the ports will be imprisoned for a term of not less than 10 years, depending on the amount of death and destruction realized from those terrorist acts..
Provision for the death penalty is included, if more than 100 deaths are involved..

Any legislator or politician that supports the arab ports takeover should be willing to put their lives and careers on the line if they are so confident...

255 posted on 02/24/2006 1:57:29 PM PST by Drammach (In the kingdom of the blind, the one-eyed man is king..)
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To: tumblindice

Why can't people just put OPPOSE OR SUPPORT? Why the long
opinionssssssssssssss?


256 posted on 02/24/2006 1:57:39 PM PST by JFC (W, I am with YA)
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To: Jim Robinson

SUPPORT

DPW is probably the best company in the world to take over this lease/contract as far as our security is concerned. Those who oppose it have swallowed headlines from the MSM without bothering to check facts or think through the issue.


257 posted on 02/24/2006 1:58:46 PM PST by tentmaker
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To: Alberta's Child

Thanks for the information.


258 posted on 02/24/2006 1:59:02 PM PST by Revel
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To: nuffsenuff
I'm still not sure but you can bet I won't fall for the hysteria in the press.

As a whole, when the media clamps it's jaws onto a story and screams and wriths and worries you can bet it's a non-story. And then you add in Chuckie and the other Dims who "really care so much about our country" your skepticism has to increase.

What really bothers me about this story and the Pubbie reaction to it is that they seem to think Bush does EVERYTHING in this country. They're beginning to act like the Dims who act like Bush is some kind of god and can snap his fingers and make everything good but he just won't do it.

259 posted on 02/24/2006 1:59:53 PM PST by tiki
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To: Jim Robinson

Gidday to you sir, Thanks fer askin.

In fairness, I see some wisdom and consistancy from Mr Bush here, time for deallin, an explainin.

posted are 2 previos posts, I ain't seen nothin to
completely change my mind so far. Serious immigration Stand? Sharon Style...Iam to a Maybe. Throw in the reverse FATWA?
Deal.

Needs a better, catchy name.
Reverse Fatwa. AwTaF

02/19/2006 6:40:33 PM PST by pending
This must not happen.

How long before all the Americans are replaced?

Sure,lets put the handling of all of the stuff in and
out into Muslim hands.

?

Simple abysmal stupidity.

Just say no.

NO!

Mr Bush is really on the edge here,

I relate to the stunned and dumfounded disbelief in your comments here. But..

Bush has evidently dozed off? Hello?
Anyone home?

This must not happen.

Opening for Conservative future leadership role...
Paging Mr King
Way to go Mr King.
Here is to the future King.

02/22/2006 2:15:06 PM PST by pending:
bONJOUR mONSIER jAZZ:


Oh No, another Phobia.
Fine.
mY PROBLEM THEN.
Gots lots of em, evidently.
Okay.
Fine.


In the context of
head chopping off video
reality

Worldwide riots over a Cartoon Picture,
Reality

There Is No
In Advance
Sincere or oTherwise
Appreciation for the
Level of Trust and Confidence
Required from This Side?

No Bon Mots?
Not a Mot?

Gratitude?

heh.
*

Nay I say.

However...

In the Interest of
Playing Nice With Others

I offer as Potential
Cause for Reconsideration,
an
Idea.


UAE publicly provides financing and support to
Largely Reward the Person(s)
who
Kill "Religious Leader(s)"
who have called for Death to, for example
the Men with Pens?



(You can win more than Once!!)

Public presentation of the prize, the heroic winner's new boat and nice cottage on the water there in Lovely Dubai.

Shot smiling holding a check, cable coverage.

Budweiser could do a nice ad with The Nice Big Horses, and little kids singing happy songs.

It is a winner I tell ya...

Otherwise,
I Say
Nay.


260 posted on 02/24/2006 2:00:34 PM PST by pending
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