Posted on 02/20/2006 7:46:11 AM PST by Dark Skies
When President Bush gave his "axis of evil" speech he went out of his way to make the world understand that it isn't a war with Islam itself that we were joining — and I say joining because the war had been started by the Jihadists decades before. And, in observance to our Western principles, that must be the correct way to view our conflagration with radical Islam.
Let's face facts, it certainly is uncomfortable to a Westerner who has been brought up on tolerance, freedom of religion, and liberty to contemplate a war against an entire religion. But are we approaching a time when Western nations won't have a choice but to target Islam itself in certain ways to keep their own people safe. The best course of action is to make public displays of Islam and certain of its practices illegal in Western nations.
So, the question becomes are we at that time now? Are we fast approaching a time when Mosques will be closed and banned? Have we come to a time when Islamic literature is turned away from our borders? Have the childish and dangerous reactions of Muslims to this cartoon in a Danish newspaper proven that Islam cannot be trusted to be a vital, peaceful, and law-abiding segment of society?
It is looking like yes is the answer to these queries.
We are already approaching this today. In Ontario they have officially outlawed Muslim Sharia law, that law that uses religious precepts to enforce moral and society codes of conduct. And Muslim "family councils" have been stopped where local community groups may supplement Canadian law with their local custom.
Several members of the John Howard administration in Australia have spoken out against Islamic clashes with Western notions of law and societal comportment many times over the last few years.
Recently Howard himself said, "I do think there is this particular complication because there is a fragment which is utterly antagonistic to our kind of society, and that is a difficulty ... You can't find any equivalent in Italian, or Greek, or Lebanese, or Chinese or Baltic immigration to Australia. There is no equivalent of raving on about jihad, but that is the major problem."
Muslims routinely destroy property, threaten death and bodily harm to those who speak out against them, and they constantly fund terrorism throughout the world. In Syria they have burnt an embassy, in Europe Muslims have been responsible for murdering people who have written out against Islam or made movies, and other forms of art. These actions are also approved by Islamic teachers (Imams) and religious leaders, not just undertaken by warped loners claiming to represent Islam quite against the will of the majority or authority.
With this ridiculous cartoon issue, we have seen that Islam has no sense of perspective. In the west parody or satire is seen as not only common, but completely harmless for the most part. And religion is not immune to parody and satire, though even in the west most people are often uncomfortable with religious satire. Usually only people filled with hate attack religion in parody and most in the West instinctively know this. As a result, most people dismiss such parody as foolishness and bad taste.
But with Muslims overreacting — in western eyes at least — to this silly cartoon issue in the way they have, it becomes nearly impossible for Westerners to view Islam as a peaceful religion, but more as a vicious hate group itself. And that perception is justified with the actions that Muslims have increasingly perpetrated over the ensuing years. So, we find that Islam presents a danger to the safety of the populace all too often. It is violent, oppressive, and reactionary.
But, what is to be done about it? We have been raised to feel that religion should be left untouched by government. Freedom of religion is at the very core of our beliefs. And this concept is an important one to uphold. So, how can we honestly and without hypocrisy begin to look toward making Islam illegal?
There is a parallel of sorts in the USA that might be used as a template for action. The Ku klux Klan.
After the Civil War ended, the KKK arose from the ashes of war as an advocacy group for the disenfranchised white voter in the south. But it quickly became a terrorist organization bent on taking out revenge on the south's newly freed black population for having lost the war. It got so bad that even one of the original organizers, C.S. Cavalry General Nathan Bedford Forrest, denounced the organization and quit it in disgust.
But as the late 1800s rolled on and the south began to re-enter the Union as full partners in government, the KKK began to lose steam and prominence. For a time it subsided. But as the 20th century neared, it re-emerged and this time became a nationwide and powerful force taking on the flavor of religious, civic and racial duty. The KKK became invested in government and claimed millions of members nation wide.
In the 1920s, however, it became too much for a liberty loving country to allow the KKK to any longer exist. In Indiana, the entire state government was scandalized by their fealty to Indiana's Klan leader who had raped and beaten his secretary on a train trip. Violence against and frequent lynching of southern blacks became so pervasive that Congress finally acted and banned the Klan. The organization collapsed never again to reclaim the power and prominence it once had.
Now, the KKK has always based its precepts on Christianity, as well as racial identity. It also reacted with violence, rallies, death threats and killing when it was threatened. It careened far away from being a mere "idea" or religious theology and became a terrorist organization. And it became a terrorist organization even though literally millions of Americans that belonged to or identified with the Klan were not themselves violent, evil, or dangerous citizens.
The leadership of the Klan supported violence. The leadership preached violence. The leadership planned and fomented it. Therefore, it had to go because it became a danger to every law-abiding citizen, whether they agreed with the racial and religious concepts the Klan espoused or not.
Islam has become the KKK of the 21st century. The sooner we awake to this truth and take steps to ban the religion, or somehow curtail its pernicious influence the better. The west is going to have to put sever restrictions on Islamic Mosques and public display of Islam. Further, devout Muslims should not be allowed to hold public office (though it certainly should not become a racial issue — sins of the father should not be visited upon the sons).
This is no religious purge as in centuries past. In the past religions were banned to be replaced by the state sponsored sect and believers of the banned religion were mistreated, tortured, unduly taxed, and terrorized. This is absolutely not the model the west would follow by banning aspects of Islam today. No religion is replacing Islam and no one is suggesting that Muslims be mistreated. But the creed to which they hold is fast becoming the most dangerous one in the world today. It is a fine line that we walk to consider banning Islam, but the safety of society is at risk not to do so.
This is not an easy conclusion at which to arrive. But if we continue to turn a blind eye to the danger that Islam presents to the west, we are signing our own death warrants.
The KKK was put down in the USA and made powerless for the same reason. Communism was destroyed for the same reason, as well. Islam is a danger to the world.
Unfortunately, it is just that simple.
I repeat the question...are we at war or aren't we?
I guess I should have included Mineral Man's 632 quote in my 704.
704 was my reply to his:
>However, having killed the attacking lion, I do not go and kill all lions. I kill only those that attack me. Lions are magestic creatures and have a role to play in the world<
And I might add, Islam's role is to exterminate the West, and Israel. Again I recommend John Haggee's book, "JERUSALEM COUNTDOWN" to get a clear view of what's going on in the Middle East. Get it for less than $9.00 at your nearest Costco. A real eye-opener, I kid you not.
Would you care to know how the typical Christian or atheist fares in an Islamic country? Would you care to emigrate to an Islamic country and leave the nasty CINOs behind? No, you wouldn't. Your silly bluff has been called.
You are coming off like a fool.
What SHOULD have happened after 9/11.
I admit it. I am bellicose in my frame of mind, and I have a long memory. I also have images of the World Trade Center etched into my mind.
The first lesson of 9/11 is that the enemy set the “terms of engagement”: there are no civilians, no non-combatants. This is the typical terrorist way of thinking. Very well. Now that we understand the rules, we can respond in kind.
Let us suppose I were President on 9/12. (A horrifying thought, but it is only a thought experiment).
• On 9/12 I would have obtained a formal declaration of war on all nations known to support terrorism.
• On 9/13, without warning, the capitals of those countries would have received 100-kiloton love-taps. Mecca and Medina would be flat, glowing expanses of glass. I suppose 1 megaton each would do the trick.
• The Al-Aqsa Mosque would be flensed to the bare molecules of rock.
• All foreign nationals in this country who are citizens of terror supporting states would have their visas withdrawn and rounded up and deported. Notice that I have not suggested “internment” although many people who hear me make this suggestion seem to hear the word. A visa is an invitation to visit our country and can be withdrawn at our pleasure.
• We would stop issuing visas--and training pilots (for heaven's sake!) from terror-supporting states.
• All naturalized citizens of the U.S. who originated in those nations would have deep background checks, the sort you need to obtain a top-secret clearance. One of the 9/11 terrorists was a naturalized U.S. citizen.
• I would have vetoed the Congress’ ill-advised cancellation of the so-called “nuclear bunker buster”, which would be vital in ensuring the destruction of the Iranian nuclear facilities. These facilities are buried deeply and hardened against both air burst and ground burst of any conceivable nuclear warhead.
• Al-Jazeera and all other Islamic means of communication would have been completely destroyed.
• So-called “Jihadi” web-sites would have been denied access to the internet.
And that is for starters. We are a nation at war which is pretending it is at peace. Just give us low gas prices, our six-packs, and the Super Bowl and don’t bother us with unpleasantries about terrorists.
There is an apocryphal story about Black Jack Pershing putting down a Muslim uprising with bullets greased with pigs’ blood and other disgusting means. I propose an update. When interrogating a prisoner who will not cooperate, give him a bath in pigs’ blood in front of his fellow prisoners. If he still will not talk, drown him in pigs’ blood.
In fact, we stand at a unique moment in time: the culmination of a 700-year–long war between Western Civilization and barbarism. We have been infiltrated for years; the first time that the Muslims have been able to establish themselves behind “enemy lines” in the long history of the struggle. We can easily lose this war unless we get serious.
We are a muscle-bound giant, afraid of using our strength. We would be called bad names, which is intolerable in this politically-correct age. Until somebody floats a nuke into Long Beach Harbor, or releases Smallpox in New York, or brings down the Sears Tower. Then perhaps the American people will awaken and see that we are fighting for our lives, our children, and our culture itself. No prisoners, no mercy, and please—no sob-sister stories about “torture”.
Mature people can't justify walking away from otherwise decent humans who are caught up in a demonic cult. Muslims are the first victims of islam...calling all deprogrammers!!!
Poorly. Which reflects the backward, ignorant thinking of many Islamic states.
Why would you seek to impose that on the USA? Are we not better than them?
"Is it the west's only choice?"
No. We could all submit to lobotamies and become zombislamites our selves. There are not nearly enough qualified donors to cure Islam with brain transplants.
They all want to die more than anything else, and who can blame them? The most humane thing to do would be to assist in anyway we can.
As a Christian, I would like to save lives...and give them the freedom to choose their faith.
Islam is not a religion of freedom...it is a dominating cult.
Please let us know when it's gone...
Nah, I can't be bothered, there are too many 'but but but islam is a RELIGION and you can't outlaw a religion because it's UNCONSTITUTIONAL comments...reminds me of when, in the first few weeks of the war in Iraq, I made reference to the stupidity of having muslims in the defence forces, and got howled down.
They do say a prophet is never appreciated in his own century. I'm sick of being a prophet. I'll wait for the appeasers to get really really hurt and scared and see how they behave then.
Methinks they'll wanna NUKE THEM OVER THERE and LOCK THEM UP IN CAMPS over here. Appeasers get really cranky if they don't get their way.
What I would impose in America are strict laws to prevent and punish the abuse of the free exercise clause of the Constitution by radical Muslims seeking to undermine the Constitution and to replace our government with Sharia law. Why do you not support that?
Agreed!...Now how do we defend ourselves from this thing...this islam?
Well done!
Or perhaps not.
Oh puhleeze.
I have friends who are Copts in Egypt (Yes, they're discriminated against).... Another whose Roma who travels all over the ME, another whose Catholic who spends several months a year in UAE. Plus a best friend from Lebanon, a student from Pakistan, etc. I'm not saying things are perfect and hunky dory. What I AM saying is that I haven't experience anything but kindness at the hands of all those I've known and met.
Deal with it hun. If we all judge others by personal, up close experience....then we have to use the logic that maybe, not all people represent all of their kind.
Of course I know better. But it just as bizarre when I know real people to have them called monsters when I've known real people who were monsters.
And calling someone a fool is a bad thing for a Christian to do, isn't it? ;)
So for your own sake, keep the name calling out of things.
Hang in there Freddie...the evening has just arrived here. Don't give up yet!
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Oh yeah,
As for me doing alright,
I am because I
a. Quit going to church.
b. Got a great therapist and fabulous meds.
c. Actually told someone about all that happened.
Now I'm doin' just fine :)
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