Making Islam illegal -- is it the West's only choice?

Renew America ^ | 2/19/2006 | Warner Todd Huston

[MineralMan]

"I believe it is something else.
"

OK. That's one point of view from one person. Let's see, how many Muslims are there. A billion?

I'm an atheist. I believe that all religions are false. I'm one guy. My belief is irrelevant to those who believe their religion is valid.

[ksen]

Do you really believe that *most* muslims are jihadists? Most American muslims?

Yes.

Yes, and if they ever thought they could get away with it we'd see them acting like European Muslims.

[najida]

I'm not saying we're not at War. Don't assume I'm saying otherwise.

I just don't want to see us become as bad as them.

[Cicero]

Well, I'm conflicted on this. On the one hand, Islam has been violent and destructive from the moment of its origins. It's not just a question of a few bad apples or people falling away from their real religion. Muhammed himself set an evil example.

On the other hand, I agree with those who say they have met Muslims, and that they seem to be decent and honorable people.

What I will say, is that this issue needs to be raised and discussed. If Islam is like the Ku Klux Klan, then it needs to be banned or expelled. If Islam really had honorable, peaceful, tolerant adherants, then they need to be told to start acting to rein in their friends.

In India the British went through both experiences. On the one hand, in the Great Mutiny Muslim soldiers rose up, violated their oaths of service, and murdered their officers, wives and children in the name of Allah. On the other hand, some Muslim regiments remained loyal, and fought to suppress the mutineers. I'm not sure what the ultimate lesson of all that was.

But the one thing we can't permit is to allow it to fester, or to allow Muslim extremist organizations to speak in the name of America's Muslims, as they are doing now. It's a big problem.

[KevinDavis]

My mistake, however, in nations like England they to go to the Church of England..

[Diamond]

In our nation of some 300+ million people, there MAY be 5 million Muslims

Source: Barrett & Johnson, published in the World Evangelization Database, and in ENCYCLOPEDIA BRITANNICA Sources: Gudel, Joseph P. from Christian Research Journal, U.S. State Department, BBC News
	While specific numbers may be disputed, most sources agree that Islam is the fastest growing religion in the United States, in France, and worldwide. Growth rates and future projections are based on combinations of current Muslim population counts, fertility and religious conversion rates, and immigration data. These projections are sometimes labeled as “scenarios” implying a high degree of imprecision and dependence upon initial assumptions. The current global Muslim population of around 20% is likely to rise, by the most conservative estimates, to about 24-25% of the world’s total by the year 2025. Other sources -- many of them Muslim -- predict future percentages closer to 30%, which would have Islam surpass Christianity as the most populous faith community worldwide. As with population counts, these reported growth rates are likely to be influenced by religious and political agendas. The factors related to Muslim population growth vary over time and changing circumstances. It is frequently reported that birth rates among Muslim women, particularly recent immigrants, tend to be higher than average levels in Western nations. However, these rates tend to fall, particularly as immigrant groups become established and incomes rise. Immigration policies and patterns have also changed, particularly since September 11, 2001. This variability makes past national growth rates only an imprecise guide to future growth of Muslim populations. Some have chosen the number of mosques as a key indicator of the rise of Islam in Western countries. Though this is a helpful guide, many note that the sites counted are often small and informal prayer rooms, in basements and other places, rather than full and formal religious institutions. The concerns related to the growth of Muslim populations differ from country to country. In France, a crucial factor is the concentration of Muslim populations in urban areas, where predictions are that as much as one-third of the next generation will be Muslim and some have warned of the formation of "ethnic ghettoes." An important question for many in the American political scene is the relative size and rate of growth in Muslim and Jewish populations. The two groups make competing claims, and while it is likely that they are quite close in population, the Muslim community may now be slightly larger.

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Cordially,

[Aliska]

It won't work and is a slippery slope. Freedom of religion is a basic human right and should be honored, but . . . They will just go underground.

I'm fed up with the lie that it is a religion of peace. Everybody knows that is not true. It's pap for the masses.

Those in the US who practice the religion may not pose an immediate danger, but most of them support terrorism around the world. It's terrible that we have to spy on mosques and some churches. That is hypocritical, and I hate hypocrisy, but what else can we do?

If they had a proven track record that they can live in peace, I wouldn't have such a problem with it. But they don't. They are a scourge of the entire planet.

Whatever is done, if anything is done, will be too little, too late.

[Dark Skies]

Wow, you've gone and stirred up the hornets nest real good this time DS!!

I'm thumbing through a dog-eared copy of Evelyn Wood's Reading Dynamics and trying to keep up with this thread. Just like a brush fire!

[Wurlitzer]

"Who are you talking about? My Muslim neighbor three doors down? He doesn't want to kill or convert me."

MineralMan, it cannot be repeated enough that their silence speaks volumes about their true feelings. Was your neighbor in the streets protesting any of the 40 years of mudslime terrorist attacks? I sure am seeing thousands not only protesting truthful cartoons but killing people for them. All in the name of the ROP!

We cannot trust these people. There were, I am sure, many good Germans during WWI and WWII but that did not stop us from opening a big can of whoop-ass on them. This is war and in a war certain people are suspect.

[Lewite]

Islime is not a religion, it is a satanic form of witchcraft.

[najida]

Ya know what's really funny?

How emotional it is---aren't conservatives supposed to be the masters of logical, unemotional debate??

Off to lunch!

[MineralMan]

Here are a few definitions of religion for you...with links:

a strong belief in a supernatural power or powers that control human destiny; "he lost his faith but not his morality"
an institution to express belief in a divine power; "he was raised in the Baptist religion"; "a member of his own faith contradicted him"

http://wordnet.princeton.edu/perl/webwn

Religion—sometimes used interchangeably with faith or belief system—is commonly defined as belief concerning the supernatural, sacred, or divine, and the moral codes, practices and institutions associated with such belief. In its broadest sense some have defined it as the sum total of answers given to explain humankind's relationship with the universe. In the course of the development of religion, it has taken a huge number of forms in various cultures and individuals. ...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion

A framework of beliefs relating to supernatural or superhuman beings or forces that transcend the everyday material world.

http://www.modernhumanorigins.com/r.html

a set of attitudes, beliefs, and practices pertaining to supernatural power.

http://oregonstate.edu/instruct/anth370/gloss.html

generally a belief in a deity and practice of worship, action, and/or thought related to that deity. Loosely, any specific system of code of ethics, values, and belief.

http://www.carm.net/atheism/terms.htm

[wvobiwan]

"Declaring it is a fact does not make it so.

I don't believe your "fact" for a second."

And the fact that you don't believe it doesn't make it untrue either. There's a wide range of US Muslims, don't paint them all with one brush.

[Radix]

"In other words, people (Westerners) need to understand more about Islam and Muslims..."

It also might be a good idea if Muslims were to familiarize themselves with the history of Islam.

How did followers of that religion ever get the notion of calling it the "Religion of Peace?"

[nightdriver]

"The best course of action is to make public displays of Islam and certain of its practices illegal in Western nations."

Warner Todd Huston is about 114 years behind the times.

Islam has already been ruled illegal in America.

NYSSC, (about) 1892.

Look it up.

[Wormwood]

Islime is not a religion, it is a satanic form of witchcraft.

Of course, Satanism and witchcraft are both legitimate religions.

[tumblindice]

About that time many Englishmen were non-believers and they weren't forced to attend church.
The seaman on boats carrying the Puritans called them "puke-stockings" because they 'hurled' so much on the trip over.

[MineralMan]

"If Islam is like the Ku Klux Klan, then it needs to be banned or expelled."

But, we don't ban the KKK, either. You can find little knots of the racist cretins in many place. They march around in their sheets, with police protection.

Did you think the KKK was illegal? It isn't.

[Earthdweller]

We can ban the "klan" but not Christianity. Same goes for the Muslims.

That said..their numbers within the US should be kept down until it is proven that the terror war is over.

[EBH]

Judge told: Islam illegal religion
Christian group prosecuted under 'tolerance act' turns tables

A Christian group prosecuted under an Australian state's new religious hatred law told a court Islam is an illegal religion because it preaches violence against Christians and Jews.

Turning the tables on its accuser, defenders of Catch the Fire Ministries argued in court that Christianity in Australia has special protection under the constitution, reported The Age daily newspaper of Melbourne.

Lawyer David Perkins told a civil tribunal if the state of Victoria's Racial and Religious Tolerance Act of 2001 curbs the teaching of Christian doctrine it is invalid. He further claimed Australia's blasphemy law was intended to protect only Christianity.

The law refers to "lawful religion," which disqualifies Islam, because it preaches violence, Perkins emphasized.
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http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=37204