Posted on 02/20/2006 7:46:11 AM PST by Dark Skies
When President Bush gave his "axis of evil" speech he went out of his way to make the world understand that it isn't a war with Islam itself that we were joining — and I say joining because the war had been started by the Jihadists decades before. And, in observance to our Western principles, that must be the correct way to view our conflagration with radical Islam.
Let's face facts, it certainly is uncomfortable to a Westerner who has been brought up on tolerance, freedom of religion, and liberty to contemplate a war against an entire religion. But are we approaching a time when Western nations won't have a choice but to target Islam itself in certain ways to keep their own people safe. The best course of action is to make public displays of Islam and certain of its practices illegal in Western nations.
So, the question becomes are we at that time now? Are we fast approaching a time when Mosques will be closed and banned? Have we come to a time when Islamic literature is turned away from our borders? Have the childish and dangerous reactions of Muslims to this cartoon in a Danish newspaper proven that Islam cannot be trusted to be a vital, peaceful, and law-abiding segment of society?
It is looking like yes is the answer to these queries.
We are already approaching this today. In Ontario they have officially outlawed Muslim Sharia law, that law that uses religious precepts to enforce moral and society codes of conduct. And Muslim "family councils" have been stopped where local community groups may supplement Canadian law with their local custom.
Several members of the John Howard administration in Australia have spoken out against Islamic clashes with Western notions of law and societal comportment many times over the last few years.
Recently Howard himself said, "I do think there is this particular complication because there is a fragment which is utterly antagonistic to our kind of society, and that is a difficulty ... You can't find any equivalent in Italian, or Greek, or Lebanese, or Chinese or Baltic immigration to Australia. There is no equivalent of raving on about jihad, but that is the major problem."
Muslims routinely destroy property, threaten death and bodily harm to those who speak out against them, and they constantly fund terrorism throughout the world. In Syria they have burnt an embassy, in Europe Muslims have been responsible for murdering people who have written out against Islam or made movies, and other forms of art. These actions are also approved by Islamic teachers (Imams) and religious leaders, not just undertaken by warped loners claiming to represent Islam quite against the will of the majority or authority.
With this ridiculous cartoon issue, we have seen that Islam has no sense of perspective. In the west parody or satire is seen as not only common, but completely harmless for the most part. And religion is not immune to parody and satire, though even in the west most people are often uncomfortable with religious satire. Usually only people filled with hate attack religion in parody and most in the West instinctively know this. As a result, most people dismiss such parody as foolishness and bad taste.
But with Muslims overreacting — in western eyes at least — to this silly cartoon issue in the way they have, it becomes nearly impossible for Westerners to view Islam as a peaceful religion, but more as a vicious hate group itself. And that perception is justified with the actions that Muslims have increasingly perpetrated over the ensuing years. So, we find that Islam presents a danger to the safety of the populace all too often. It is violent, oppressive, and reactionary.
But, what is to be done about it? We have been raised to feel that religion should be left untouched by government. Freedom of religion is at the very core of our beliefs. And this concept is an important one to uphold. So, how can we honestly and without hypocrisy begin to look toward making Islam illegal?
There is a parallel of sorts in the USA that might be used as a template for action. The Ku klux Klan.
After the Civil War ended, the KKK arose from the ashes of war as an advocacy group for the disenfranchised white voter in the south. But it quickly became a terrorist organization bent on taking out revenge on the south's newly freed black population for having lost the war. It got so bad that even one of the original organizers, C.S. Cavalry General Nathan Bedford Forrest, denounced the organization and quit it in disgust.
But as the late 1800s rolled on and the south began to re-enter the Union as full partners in government, the KKK began to lose steam and prominence. For a time it subsided. But as the 20th century neared, it re-emerged and this time became a nationwide and powerful force taking on the flavor of religious, civic and racial duty. The KKK became invested in government and claimed millions of members nation wide.
In the 1920s, however, it became too much for a liberty loving country to allow the KKK to any longer exist. In Indiana, the entire state government was scandalized by their fealty to Indiana's Klan leader who had raped and beaten his secretary on a train trip. Violence against and frequent lynching of southern blacks became so pervasive that Congress finally acted and banned the Klan. The organization collapsed never again to reclaim the power and prominence it once had.
Now, the KKK has always based its precepts on Christianity, as well as racial identity. It also reacted with violence, rallies, death threats and killing when it was threatened. It careened far away from being a mere "idea" or religious theology and became a terrorist organization. And it became a terrorist organization even though literally millions of Americans that belonged to or identified with the Klan were not themselves violent, evil, or dangerous citizens.
The leadership of the Klan supported violence. The leadership preached violence. The leadership planned and fomented it. Therefore, it had to go because it became a danger to every law-abiding citizen, whether they agreed with the racial and religious concepts the Klan espoused or not.
Islam has become the KKK of the 21st century. The sooner we awake to this truth and take steps to ban the religion, or somehow curtail its pernicious influence the better. The west is going to have to put sever restrictions on Islamic Mosques and public display of Islam. Further, devout Muslims should not be allowed to hold public office (though it certainly should not become a racial issue — sins of the father should not be visited upon the sons).
This is no religious purge as in centuries past. In the past religions were banned to be replaced by the state sponsored sect and believers of the banned religion were mistreated, tortured, unduly taxed, and terrorized. This is absolutely not the model the west would follow by banning aspects of Islam today. No religion is replacing Islam and no one is suggesting that Muslims be mistreated. But the creed to which they hold is fast becoming the most dangerous one in the world today. It is a fine line that we walk to consider banning Islam, but the safety of society is at risk not to do so.
This is not an easy conclusion at which to arrive. But if we continue to turn a blind eye to the danger that Islam presents to the west, we are signing our own death warrants.
The KKK was put down in the USA and made powerless for the same reason. Communism was destroyed for the same reason, as well. Islam is a danger to the world.
Unfortunately, it is just that simple.
I'm going to bookmark this thread and wait for the dust to settle a little, to separate the wheat from the chaff. We'll see whats left.
Back later... ;o)
"we aren't even fighting a majority of the Muslims in Iraq, a country of 25 million. "
Indeed we are not. In fact, our troops and others are working very, very hard, and risking their lives to help the Muslims in Iraq, teach them about a democratic system of government, and more.
Why are we doing that? Because we believe in freedom of religion.
All this nonsense in this thread is what's really anti-American. Ask our troops on the ground in Iraq.
Prove it. Everything we have seen tells us otherwise.
What have you seen that the rest of us haven't?
But your analogy is flawed in that molesting boys isn't official policy of the Catholic church and is not condoned, rather such behavior is not ratified.
However, that we are "infidels" is the official policy of Wahhabi muslims.
One thing that a lot of freepers here tend to miss. Until the founding of this nation, there really wasn't a free Chritian nation.. You had to belong to a certain church... I could be wrong.. I hate to see this nation ban a religion.
Nope it didn't.
And it won't in the future, depending on who's in charge.
Thanks to those who want to protect our enemy, we have already lost. Lost freedoms on airplanes, trains, government buildings, sporting events. Billion$ of dollars taken away from taxpaying US Citizens so these bastards can hide behind a false curtain of religion and plot their overthrow of everything this country used to stand for.
OK,
How many real, live folks have you met, talked to, worked with etc.
I'm just curious. Because I'm hearing lots of radio and TV stuff, but few who are giving first hand, long term, personal experience.
Okay then. How about this? Let's stop giving our tax money to the Shi'te ruling government of Iraq and the Afghan government (normally praised uncritically here) which (again using our tax dollars) have called for suppression of the cartoons?
The statement still stands: "When the right to practice a religion becomes illegal the terrorists have won."
The Koran dies indeed justify all kinds of criminal and oppressive conduct. But so does the Bible, the Torah, and many others. The difference is that Islam has been corrupted to higher degree than any other, even maybe more-so than dark-ages Christianity.
But in the US Islam can adapt, moderates have the chance to prove it. That's why CAIR is doing them such a disservice by not separating effectively the crazies from the majority. But banning Islam in the US only play right into the extremist hands. The slow, assimilation path is the correct one, albeit indeed the hardest.
*shrug* YMMV.
I'm not in favor of adding any more innocent Americans to the sacrificial altar of political correctness.
Declaring it is a fact does not make it so.
I don't believe your "fact" for a second.
The real question here should be:
Is Islam a religion or is it something else?
I believe it is something else.
Our first English ancestors lived in the Netherlands for a while, before sailing here. The Dutch were very tolerant of other religions.
Just like we're losing the war in Iraq 'eh? Ask the media to prove it, I don't need convicing.
I never implied your mind was tiny darlin'.
And yes, Islam isn't a 'good' religion, but again, you're talking to someone who really doesn't see many religions as good or evil. Just human driven.
Again, how much personal experience do you have? How much time have you spent in the ME, how many muslims do you know personally?
We can all thump out "Kill them all" on a computer, but that's the easy part.
What is a 'religion'?
So, opposing the bulldozing of American mosques is suddenly political correctness?
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