Posted on 02/20/2006 7:46:11 AM PST by Dark Skies
When President Bush gave his "axis of evil" speech he went out of his way to make the world understand that it isn't a war with Islam itself that we were joining — and I say joining because the war had been started by the Jihadists decades before. And, in observance to our Western principles, that must be the correct way to view our conflagration with radical Islam.
Let's face facts, it certainly is uncomfortable to a Westerner who has been brought up on tolerance, freedom of religion, and liberty to contemplate a war against an entire religion. But are we approaching a time when Western nations won't have a choice but to target Islam itself in certain ways to keep their own people safe. The best course of action is to make public displays of Islam and certain of its practices illegal in Western nations.
So, the question becomes are we at that time now? Are we fast approaching a time when Mosques will be closed and banned? Have we come to a time when Islamic literature is turned away from our borders? Have the childish and dangerous reactions of Muslims to this cartoon in a Danish newspaper proven that Islam cannot be trusted to be a vital, peaceful, and law-abiding segment of society?
It is looking like yes is the answer to these queries.
We are already approaching this today. In Ontario they have officially outlawed Muslim Sharia law, that law that uses religious precepts to enforce moral and society codes of conduct. And Muslim "family councils" have been stopped where local community groups may supplement Canadian law with their local custom.
Several members of the John Howard administration in Australia have spoken out against Islamic clashes with Western notions of law and societal comportment many times over the last few years.
Recently Howard himself said, "I do think there is this particular complication because there is a fragment which is utterly antagonistic to our kind of society, and that is a difficulty ... You can't find any equivalent in Italian, or Greek, or Lebanese, or Chinese or Baltic immigration to Australia. There is no equivalent of raving on about jihad, but that is the major problem."
Muslims routinely destroy property, threaten death and bodily harm to those who speak out against them, and they constantly fund terrorism throughout the world. In Syria they have burnt an embassy, in Europe Muslims have been responsible for murdering people who have written out against Islam or made movies, and other forms of art. These actions are also approved by Islamic teachers (Imams) and religious leaders, not just undertaken by warped loners claiming to represent Islam quite against the will of the majority or authority.
With this ridiculous cartoon issue, we have seen that Islam has no sense of perspective. In the west parody or satire is seen as not only common, but completely harmless for the most part. And religion is not immune to parody and satire, though even in the west most people are often uncomfortable with religious satire. Usually only people filled with hate attack religion in parody and most in the West instinctively know this. As a result, most people dismiss such parody as foolishness and bad taste.
But with Muslims overreacting — in western eyes at least — to this silly cartoon issue in the way they have, it becomes nearly impossible for Westerners to view Islam as a peaceful religion, but more as a vicious hate group itself. And that perception is justified with the actions that Muslims have increasingly perpetrated over the ensuing years. So, we find that Islam presents a danger to the safety of the populace all too often. It is violent, oppressive, and reactionary.
But, what is to be done about it? We have been raised to feel that religion should be left untouched by government. Freedom of religion is at the very core of our beliefs. And this concept is an important one to uphold. So, how can we honestly and without hypocrisy begin to look toward making Islam illegal?
There is a parallel of sorts in the USA that might be used as a template for action. The Ku klux Klan.
After the Civil War ended, the KKK arose from the ashes of war as an advocacy group for the disenfranchised white voter in the south. But it quickly became a terrorist organization bent on taking out revenge on the south's newly freed black population for having lost the war. It got so bad that even one of the original organizers, C.S. Cavalry General Nathan Bedford Forrest, denounced the organization and quit it in disgust.
But as the late 1800s rolled on and the south began to re-enter the Union as full partners in government, the KKK began to lose steam and prominence. For a time it subsided. But as the 20th century neared, it re-emerged and this time became a nationwide and powerful force taking on the flavor of religious, civic and racial duty. The KKK became invested in government and claimed millions of members nation wide.
In the 1920s, however, it became too much for a liberty loving country to allow the KKK to any longer exist. In Indiana, the entire state government was scandalized by their fealty to Indiana's Klan leader who had raped and beaten his secretary on a train trip. Violence against and frequent lynching of southern blacks became so pervasive that Congress finally acted and banned the Klan. The organization collapsed never again to reclaim the power and prominence it once had.
Now, the KKK has always based its precepts on Christianity, as well as racial identity. It also reacted with violence, rallies, death threats and killing when it was threatened. It careened far away from being a mere "idea" or religious theology and became a terrorist organization. And it became a terrorist organization even though literally millions of Americans that belonged to or identified with the Klan were not themselves violent, evil, or dangerous citizens.
The leadership of the Klan supported violence. The leadership preached violence. The leadership planned and fomented it. Therefore, it had to go because it became a danger to every law-abiding citizen, whether they agreed with the racial and religious concepts the Klan espoused or not.
Islam has become the KKK of the 21st century. The sooner we awake to this truth and take steps to ban the religion, or somehow curtail its pernicious influence the better. The west is going to have to put sever restrictions on Islamic Mosques and public display of Islam. Further, devout Muslims should not be allowed to hold public office (though it certainly should not become a racial issue — sins of the father should not be visited upon the sons).
This is no religious purge as in centuries past. In the past religions were banned to be replaced by the state sponsored sect and believers of the banned religion were mistreated, tortured, unduly taxed, and terrorized. This is absolutely not the model the west would follow by banning aspects of Islam today. No religion is replacing Islam and no one is suggesting that Muslims be mistreated. But the creed to which they hold is fast becoming the most dangerous one in the world today. It is a fine line that we walk to consider banning Islam, but the safety of society is at risk not to do so.
This is not an easy conclusion at which to arrive. But if we continue to turn a blind eye to the danger that Islam presents to the west, we are signing our own death warrants.
The KKK was put down in the USA and made powerless for the same reason. Communism was destroyed for the same reason, as well. Islam is a danger to the world.
Unfortunately, it is just that simple.
Destroy Islamism. If it doesn't register, Islam goes too.
How do you know that?
The more I see, the more it seems almost all Muslims are ready to look the other way, and most are ready to smile and nod.
How many have now been killed, over 12 cartoons, printed in an obscure European newspaper several months ago?
Where are the objections to all the violence? Where?
The world is a very different place then the 1990's when 99% of the world was unaware of what Islam really meant.
As a Jew, I am certainly not in favor of banning religion, but something has to be done about Islam before they kill us all.
We must never again trample on the rights of American citizens who, just because they are of a certain ethnicity, are incarcerated due to the fact that their homes of ancestry are at war with the US, even though they fervently profess loyalty to the US.
Instead, we must tolerate any kind of Islamics here in our country, citizens or not, who tacitly approve of Americans being beheaded or blown to bits, because it's "our fault", due to our foreign policy - and who fail to express outrage against an enemy that swears to annihilate every last one of us - using those who swim in their midst - or by any means possible.
Yeah, we're sooooooooooooooooooooooo frikkin' advanced and enlightened these days. Good thing we don't have Nazi's like Democrat FDR running things here.
Confused? I am. But the 'Rats should be completely confounded - if they weren't such kneejerk hypocrites on any momentary position that serves their never-ending grasp for raw power...for its own sake.
It is one thing to criticize the government, it's officials, and it's policies. It is completely another to preach sedition, violence and murder to overthrow the government. Such is the crap that comes out of the Imam's mouths every day.
It is this very group we are talking about that would be the first to deny you your right to free speech if their chilling spirit becomes accepted in this society. We cannot tolerate this in no way shape and form.
Those who want to scream "first amendnment violation" should an evenhanded enforcement of deportation begin to occur...these are useful idiots who are in effect turning our constitution into a suicide pact.
Hm, and how do you propose to do this ? Especially with the ones that are in our midst ? With citizenship ?
There are many dark pseudo-religeons adherence to which is banned. Is it legal to sacrifice people ? Islam should be treated as such.
Most do not understand this is a RELIGIOUS WAR!
Until this is understood, are lives and freedoms will be threatened. Wake up US of A, you are slowly killing our children and grandchildren.
This has possibilities. The KKK was founded on a twisted view of the Bible. Voodo is not allowed here. I see Islam as the religion of Satan. Ban it!
That's why stay and chime in. Others have stomped away in anger, but I'd rather try and help keep the sanity.
And yeah, I've stepped over a line or said things at times that I look back on and go "that was so wrong". I'm hoping others will chime in.
I'm looking at this from a 'if we do this to X what keeps us from doing it to Y?' standpoint.
Y being me ;)
"I never thought I would see so many otherwise rational people cheerfully ignore the Constitution."
This is a "religion" that is out to destroy YOU.
Perhaps you should become more "rational".
"Those who want to scream "first amendnment violation" should an evenhanded enforcement of deportation begin to occur"
Could you show me any provision in the Constitution or our Federal laws that allows the deportation of native-born US citizens?
Yes, we can deport non-citizens. We can remove the citizenship of naturalized citizens, although that is very difficult. But there is no deportation of native-born citizens of the United States of America.
So long as you do not break a law (murder, in the case of human sacrifice), then it is perfectly legal to promote any religion or philosophy you wish.
Freedom. Accept no substitutes.
The main question for Muslims and the rest of us is, can Islam live with the Constition. If it turns out it isn't then it already is illegal.
Bingo! The cult of Islam has as much to do with religion as the Klan had to do with Christianity!
The Klan had nothing to do with Christains!
Not to nitpick, but until the 14th amendment was ratified in 1868 and then incorporated to the states in later supreme court decisions, it would not have been unconstitutional to create a state church in Utah as the constitution was only a limit on federal power.
But I will admit that I am not aware of the actual events so it very well could have been justified for their actions, but I just can't swallow what some of these people posting here can so easily.
The State is the State.
"Voodo is not allowed here."
Of course it is. There is no law against that religion in this country. There are laws against human sacrifice, but the courts have ruled consistently that animal sacrifice for religious reasons is allowed.
Where did you get the idea that Voodoo is not allowed here?
If Islam is a religion, so is Nazism.
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