[gobucks]

So. Now we have the sweet headline of a state law making body attempting to ban the presentation of I.D. as "science" by the instrument known as a 'statute.

Talk about a back door validation of the power of I.D. as science. Please Mr. and Mrs. Law Making Democrat: don't stop doing this. I suggest all Blue State Law Makers phone Wisconsin about this for advice, and ram home such laws in their states, where pesky GOPers won't get in the way, like they will in Wisconsin.

What a shock. Libertarians everywhere, however, should be especially outraged. Just imagine what will happen if I.D. actually becomes outlawed as 'science'.

Hint: Think War on Drugs...

[vincenteblackshadow]

I think that the banning of ID in schools should be voted on county by county.

[Echo Talon]

WoW! little fascists?

[gobucks]

The NAS was signed into being by President Abraham Lincoln on March 3, 1863, at the height of the Civil War. As mandated in its Act of Incorporation, the NAS has, since 1863, served to "investigate, examine, experiment, and report upon any subject of science or art" whenever called upon to do so by any department of the government.

From the NAS web site.

Funny ... I wonder what good Mr. Lincoln would think of using the N.A.S. to define what 'science' is...

But then, Democrats would love government to control what everything means.

Especially words like 'science' and 'intelligent' and, yes Mr. Lincoln, even 'art'.

[weegee]

"pseudo-science" should have no place in the classroom.

Good. Let's start by tossing out man-made global warming and homosexuality as a genetic trait.

[Steel and Fire and Stone]

The evidence for Darwinian evolution is so provoking, and the evidential support for ID so weak, that liberals have decided that the only way to protect Darwin's theory is to legislate it into law.

This turns the first Amendment concept of "separation of Church and State" on it's head, except, of course, that the 1st Amendment says no such thing. That argument has always been just another convenient device for which liberals to attack religious people from some imagined moral high ground.

So, now in the name of tolerance and scientific purity and truth and accuracy, they intend to dictate their faith of secular humanism built upon Darwinian theory into law. Now, THAT's some kind of science - Machiavellian science, but it's all they know.

Black is white, and white is black, and to hell with "right and wrong".

SFS

[Blue_Ridge_Mtn_Geek]

This makes about as much sense as the apocryphal action by various state legislatures to decree that Pi = 3.
http://www.snopes.com/religion/pi.htm

Decreeing what is "scientific" by legislation is "science" by assertion of authority, which makes about as much sense as enslaving in the name of freedom. It's consistent with how science is taught in many classrooms, however. Self-refuting instructional method is common, and one of the key problems of the "school" model of learning facilitation.

[Moderate right-winger]

actually they use "pseudo-science" as a code name for religion

[RoadTest]

""pseudo-science" should have no place in the classroom."

Oh. That means evolution will have to be banned.

[starbase]

Well, the best fights are to be seen on creation/evo threads, but no evos have shown up yet! Does each side generally swarm only their own posted threads, or do evos never come onto creation threads?

[neutrality]

The measure would require science curriculums to describe only natural processes and follow definitions from the National Academy of Sciences.

Sounds reasonable, but naturally only public schools should be affected

[wintertime]

Two Democratic lawmakers introduced a bill to ban public schools from teaching "intelligent design" as science, saying "pseudo-science" should have no place in the classroom. ( gobucks)

To All:

Is there anyone here that would deny that evolution/ID no matter how presented to the students WILL have religious consequences for all the children in the school?????

The point of conflict here isn't evolution or ID. NO!

The problem is that we have government schools!

Government schools can not be neutral politically, culturally, and morals/ethics/values ( that means religion).

Government has created a price-fixed monopoly of schools that has made private schools scarce and exclusive. Then when the parent has no other choice, the government threatens parents with armed police, court, and foster care action if they do not send their child to the government indoctrination center.

Only government could think up something so fiendishly evil!

Once in the government indoctrination center, the child will be subjected to the curriculum of the biggest political bully. (The evolution and ID bullies are struggling hard to win this)

Evolution and ID conflict is only one among HUNDREDS of issues that WILL have political, cultural, and religious consequences for all the children in the government school!

So....to those conservatives who remember a government school system that affirmed your Christian worldview. GIVE IT UP! You are not going to reform government schools and remake them into institutions you remember as a child.

The solution: Begin the process of destroying government schooling and replacing it with universal private K-12 education.

[wallcrawlr]

You know the drill.

Liberals side with evo's, evo's side with liberals...once again.

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[Hacksaw]

MADISON, Wis. -- Two Democratic lawmakers introduced a bill to ban public schools from teaching "intelligent design" as science, saying "pseudo-science" should have no place in the classroom.

The "Birds of a feather" quote comes to mind... When one finds oneself consistently on the side of liberal Democrats, Barney Frank, the anti-American ACLU, Barry Lynn, and People for the American Way, it's time to question your judgement.

[F.J. Mitchell]

That's the Dems for you, banning intelligence in favor of stupidity.

[aruanan]

The measure would require science curriculums to describe only natural processes and follow definitions from the National Academy of Sciences.

Only one religion is allowed and its name is naturalism.

[Mrs. Darla Ruth Schwerin]

"Critics say intelligent design is thinly disguised religion that lacks any basis in science."

Let's see...So the opposite of that would be, "Thickly disguised religion that lacks any basis in science." And I'm just guessing here, but evolution fits that description quite nicely...

[GregoTX]

"Its sponsor, Rep. Terese Berceau, acknowledged the measure faces an uphill fight in a legislature where Republicans control both houses."

I can see the democraps, liberals, socialists, and a group certain FR members uping their donations to their true champions for this "uphill fight" .... the ACLU. After all, the ACLU is hero of the left wing and evolution science agenda. If this "uphill fight" looses in the legislature (and it will), then we will see this agenda promoted through the courts. I am glad conservatives have secured a better position is the Supreme Court.

[wardaddy]

Orwellian Thought Control Harridan:

[SunkenCiv]

"pseudo-science" should have no place in the classroom...

...other than "the greenhouse effect", "global warming", Clovis-first-and-only...

[silverleaf]

ID is not being banned from being taught as a "science". It is being banned from being taught (discussed) at all in a public school.