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Space-elevator tether climbs a mile high
New Scientist ^ | 2/15/2006 | Kimm Groshong

Posted on 02/15/2006 10:24:11 AM PST by Neville72

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To: Zavien Doombringer
what is pulling the wieght at the other end? Earth's gravity?

Centrifugal force keeps the counterweight extended. Actually, it should be counterMASS, since weight is only used relative to gravity, and this is more of an inertial effect.

41 posted on 02/15/2006 10:51:02 AM PST by SlowBoat407 (The best stuff happens just before the thread snaps.)
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To: Zavien Doombringer
I see, so you have been to malaysia and borneo? I have...

No location actually ON THE EQUATOR has EVER been hit by a typhoon. Flat out, a simple fact.

42 posted on 02/15/2006 10:51:10 AM PST by Strategerist
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To: Neville72
The company's battery-operated robotic lifters were designed to climb up and down the entire length of the ribbon but only made it about 460 m above ground. Laine told New Scientist that the robots had worked properly during preparatory tests and his team is still analysing the problem.

Duh! They got tired out.

Next time hire robots with more endurance. Geesh!

43 posted on 02/15/2006 10:51:23 AM PST by Alas Babylon!
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To: Zavien Doombringer

You want the rotation. That's what keeps the ribbon and the counterweight taught


44 posted on 02/15/2006 10:51:29 AM PST by Neville72 (uist)
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To: Strategerist
Are we supposed to be terrified to build anything in case terrorists attack it?

And if that IS the case, they have already won.
45 posted on 02/15/2006 10:51:30 AM PST by Jhohanna (Born Free)
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To: Neville72

ok, and when we cycle from the solstice to equinox? I do not recall a ball on a string with one central point wobbling...and the earth's orbit isn't in a constant circle.


46 posted on 02/15/2006 10:51:55 AM PST by Zavien Doombringer (Mr. Franklin, what form of customes did you create in Tiajunna? A beeber, Madam, if you can stune it)
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To: Neville72

even a spinning propeller blade doesn't stay straight...


47 posted on 02/15/2006 10:53:14 AM PST by Zavien Doombringer (Mr. Franklin, what form of customes did you create in Tiajunna? A beeber, Madam, if you can stune it)
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To: new cruelty

A good ten - fifteen Years ago, Scientific American (I think it was) published an article dealing with "materials science", which in passing mentioned the "Skyhook Method" of reaching orbit without recourse to gigantic, belching reaction-engines. It may even be that Arthur C. Clarke himself originiated this concept, as so many others... in any case, the critical factor in "elevator-ology" is the tensile strength of the "long wire", which in the materials-science community has long been dubbed "fictionite". Whatever its nature --woven, carbon nanotubes, etc.-- physics requires that as of about 1990, "fictionite" must test 100 times stronger than any known material. In aggregate, it may be that we are approaching this baseline; or perhaps the height of the strand(s) has decreased. But "fictionite" as 100X 1990's tensile strength would yet seem a readily comprehensible baseline. The fact that robotic "crawlers could ascend IF "fictionite" were available is beside the point. Gimme "fictionite", or spare the what-if scenarios, however attractive they may be. Awesome rendering, by the way!


48 posted on 02/15/2006 10:53:25 AM PST by Pyrthroes (Dwelling in Possibility)
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To: Neville72

Are they going to get Jack to make the first climb?


49 posted on 02/15/2006 10:53:52 AM PST by Hatteras
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To: Neville72

This space elevator I think has good solid science behind it. This pretty exciting. My only concern is earthquakes and fault lines. Protecting it against terrorist attcks would seem to be easy a huge no fly zone around it.


50 posted on 02/15/2006 10:54:10 AM PST by bayourant
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To: Neville72; All

--here's the story--

http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2000/ast07sep_1.htm


51 posted on 02/15/2006 10:55:34 AM PST by rellimpank (Don't believe anything about firearms or explosives stated by the mass media---NRABenefactor)
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To: Neville72
This is an important news release.

I hope David Gregory was informed.

52 posted on 02/15/2006 11:00:43 AM PST by kidd
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To: Neville72

did nasa try this with the shuttle and determined that the cord as it waved through the radiation belt, generated an electrical charge ?

might be fuzzy on that so dont pounce


53 posted on 02/15/2006 11:01:42 AM PST by Revelation 911 (God is love, Love endures forever, Love God, Love your neighbor, Vengeance is mine)
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To: Neville72

OK, maybe I don't fully understand... won't atmospheric friction cause this some trouble?

How much energy is needed to lift a ton 62,000 miles?

Does this imply a geostationary space station?


54 posted on 02/15/2006 11:05:26 AM PST by AbeKrieger (Hey Muslims - time to stop the MuhamMadness.)
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To: Neville72
Taught is right. A geostationary orbit is at 22,240 miles above the Earth's surface. The top of the proposed elevator is at 62,000 miles, meaning most of the elevator is travelling much faster than escape velocity and pulling it taught.

And once that 100 tonne cargo passes 22,240 miles, it also adds to the pull.

55 posted on 02/15/2006 11:05:37 AM PST by robertpaulsen
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To: taxcontrol
Not to burst your bubble, but LEO is between 125-700 miles up. Geosynchronous is 22k miles. Where did you come up with the 62k miles figure? All the way out to L1? The shuttle orbits at around the 190 mile mark.

Still a LONG way to be dangling from a string, but not exactly JUST science fiction these days.

56 posted on 02/15/2006 11:06:24 AM PST by Dead Corpse (I believe that all government is evil, and that trying to improve it is largely a waste of time.)
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To: Dead Corpse
Never mind...

Scheduled a remedial reading course...

57 posted on 02/15/2006 11:07:43 AM PST by Dead Corpse (I believe that all government is evil, and that trying to improve it is largely a waste of time.)
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To: RhoTheta

Ping.


58 posted on 02/15/2006 11:07:57 AM PST by Egon (We are number one! All others are number two... or lower.)
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To: bayourant

Actually this thing should be more earthquake-resistant than a normal office building.


59 posted on 02/15/2006 11:12:55 AM PST by Strategerist
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To: Zavien Doombringer

There are plenty of satellites sitting in geosynchronous orbit which always stay above the same point on the equator. The earth doesn't wobble to make the seasons - the axis is tilted with respect to the plane of our orbit around the sun.


60 posted on 02/15/2006 11:14:22 AM PST by non-anonymous
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