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Wipe your iPod before selling it, RIAA warns
The Register ^ | Monday 13th February 2006 | Tony Smith

Posted on 02/13/2006 11:02:23 AM PST by nickcarraway

If you sell your iPod and don't remove your music first, you could find yourself with the Recording Industry Ass. of America (RIAA) breathing down your back. The organisation last week told sellers in the US that doing so is a clear violation of copyright law and warned them that it's sniffing out for infringers.

Apple's rapid iPod refresh schedule, not to mention those of its competitors, have generated a tide of old music player offers in classified ads columns and on sites like eBay. Rather too many sellers are shipping their old machines with music libraries intact - some we've seen even make a virtue of the fact.

But it's illegal, not only in the US but also in the UK and the rest of Europe. As, incidentally, is ripping all your CDs and LPs to MP3 then selling or even giving away the originals. By disposing of your physical media, you're ending your right to use the music they contain. The RIAA's point, made in an MTV online report (http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1524099/20060209/story.jhtml) is that handing over music on a music player is no different from duplicating a CD and selling the copy.

The only way around the problem is to either erase the iPod, or make sure it ships with only copies of the music - downloads if that's how they were obtained, or the original physical media. And don't keep copies yourself.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Extended News; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; US: California; US: District of Columbia; US: Nevada
KEYWORDS: congressontake; intellectualproperty; ipod; kissmyrear; mpaa; music; riaa; riaacantenforceit; savefairuse
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To: Richard Kimball
I don't like RIAA, but they've got a point, here.

They have a general point, but still miss the fact that copyrights aren't absolute. I looked up on how they interpret the Doctrine of First Sale, and it sucks. The law allows you to resell or destroy a "particular copy" of a copyrighted work. The RIAA makes the case that ripping your CDs to an iPod and selling the iPod and the music (let's say your oriringal CDs were destroyed) is not that "particular copy," which resided on the CD that got destroyed.

As usual, they miss the spirit of the law. You paid for it, you can resell it, just don't resell it more than once. But the secondary market hurts their pocketbook, so they'd like to get rid of it.

61 posted on 02/13/2006 11:28:16 AM PST by antiRepublicrat
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To: Izzy Dunne

I actually hope all the new digital TVs regs pass - let's what consumers say when they can't record a TV program, or when they can record it, but have only 5 days to watch it before the cable company self destructs it on their DVR. or if they pay for a kids cable channel, but cannot make a DVD of a program to show their kids in the minivan.

only when it goes so far, that consumers are outraged by the laws, will anything change.


62 posted on 02/13/2006 11:28:46 AM PST by oceanview
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To: Lou L

The iPod Updater software that also ships with the iPod allows you to restore it to factory condition.


63 posted on 02/13/2006 11:30:06 AM PST by CFC__VRWC ("Anytime a liberal squeals in outrage, an angel gets its wings!" - gidget7)
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To: Still Thinking

Sony should understand the concept of illegal ... who violated the law by installing a rootkit on windows computers use to play their cds ... holier than thou


64 posted on 02/13/2006 11:30:36 AM PST by cinives (On some planets what I do is considered normal.)
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To: nickcarraway

you can buy Ipods w/ music at Ebay

http://cgi.ebay.com/Used-2-GB-iPod-Nano-FULL-OF-MUSIC-up-to-30-ALBUMS_W0QQitemZ5866451361QQcategoryZ118264QQssPageNameZWD10VQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem


65 posted on 02/13/2006 11:31:13 AM PST by finnman69 (cum puella incedit minore medio corpore sub quo manifestu s globus, inflammare animos)
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To: All
Another "wonderfully thought out public relationship move" from the RIAA. I'll add this to my list of reasons why I rarely buy music/DVD's. My last being Daryl Worley's "Have you Forgotten" CD.
66 posted on 02/13/2006 11:31:23 AM PST by excalibur1701
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To: SmoothTalker
I also really dislike the strategy of the record industry. Suing old ladies because a 12 year old grandkid downloaded the latest

So far they've sued a woman who has never even used a computer. And they've sent the extortion letters to people who were hosting their own copyrighted works, just ones with file names similar to or the same as RIAA "artists" names.

67 posted on 02/13/2006 11:31:38 AM PST by antiRepublicrat
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To: cinives

Damn straight. By posting Sony's position, I wasn't saying I agreed with them, but pointing out how idiotic and deluded the labels can actually get up there in their tall buildings.


68 posted on 02/13/2006 11:32:52 AM PST by Still Thinking (Disregard the law of unintended consequences at your own risk.)
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To: nickcarraway

Why don't we just nuke the RIAA and have done with it?


69 posted on 02/13/2006 11:35:37 AM PST by Billthedrill
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To: nickcarraway
If you buy a CD, the download it to your iPod, the lose it, have you committed a felony to the RIAA?

You've probably violated some obscure provision of the patriot act.

70 posted on 02/13/2006 11:36:11 AM PST by Freebird Forever (Extremism in the defense of Liberty is no vice.)
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To: nickcarraway
I know at least three people who log into each other's iTunes library which they are aware is a no-no but do it anyway.

As far as selling an iPod goes, who's to say you didn't leave it on a bench at the Mall or you lost it on the subway?
71 posted on 02/13/2006 11:36:42 AM PST by HEY4QDEMS (Learn from the past, don't live in it.)
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To: nickcarraway; All

RIAA bastards.

It is our IPOD and we will do with it as we please.

We can sell other copyrighted materials that we own such as DVDs, and so can we sell our IPOD, which includes copyrighted material.

The RIAA is way wrong here, as usual.


72 posted on 02/13/2006 11:39:24 AM PST by rwfromkansas (http://xanga.com/rwfromkansas)
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To: nickcarraway

Deck chairs, Titanic, etc ...


73 posted on 02/13/2006 11:39:44 AM PST by stinkerpot65
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To: Richard Kimball

Copyright was only intended for useful arts, things that benefit society.

Britney Spears doesn't count, so no, it isn't copyright infringement.


74 posted on 02/13/2006 11:40:53 AM PST by rwfromkansas (http://xanga.com/rwfromkansas)
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To: Still Thinking

I did understand that; I was just elaborating on your position.


75 posted on 02/13/2006 11:41:04 AM PST by cinives (On some planets what I do is considered normal.)
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To: KeepUSfree

Do you really believe people don't have the right to sell things they buy?


76 posted on 02/13/2006 11:41:29 AM PST by rwfromkansas (http://xanga.com/rwfromkansas)
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To: KeepUSfree

We might as well shut down Ebay then.


77 posted on 02/13/2006 11:41:40 AM PST by rwfromkansas (http://xanga.com/rwfromkansas)
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To: nickcarraway

The RIAA guys are probably some of the same people in Hollywood all stirred up about the NSA.


78 posted on 02/13/2006 11:41:56 AM PST by Obadiah
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To: nickcarraway

funnny thing. our gubmint is more worried about this than illegal alien invaders and other countries ripping off US drug patents.


79 posted on 02/13/2006 11:42:44 AM PST by Rakkasan1 (Muslims pray to Allah, Allah prays to Chuck Norris.)
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To: oceanview

I know people who burn DVDs. I refuse to engage in that practice, but if the MPAA decides to pull that stunt, I may have to start burning DVDs instead of buying them.


80 posted on 02/13/2006 11:43:54 AM PST by rwfromkansas (http://xanga.com/rwfromkansas)
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