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Wipe your iPod before selling it, RIAA warns
The Register ^ | Monday 13th February 2006 | Tony Smith

Posted on 02/13/2006 11:02:23 AM PST by nickcarraway

If you sell your iPod and don't remove your music first, you could find yourself with the Recording Industry Ass. of America (RIAA) breathing down your back. The organisation last week told sellers in the US that doing so is a clear violation of copyright law and warned them that it's sniffing out for infringers.

Apple's rapid iPod refresh schedule, not to mention those of its competitors, have generated a tide of old music player offers in classified ads columns and on sites like eBay. Rather too many sellers are shipping their old machines with music libraries intact - some we've seen even make a virtue of the fact.

But it's illegal, not only in the US but also in the UK and the rest of Europe. As, incidentally, is ripping all your CDs and LPs to MP3 then selling or even giving away the originals. By disposing of your physical media, you're ending your right to use the music they contain. The RIAA's point, made in an MTV online report (http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1524099/20060209/story.jhtml) is that handing over music on a music player is no different from duplicating a CD and selling the copy.

The only way around the problem is to either erase the iPod, or make sure it ships with only copies of the music - downloads if that's how they were obtained, or the original physical media. And don't keep copies yourself.


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KEYWORDS: congressontake; intellectualproperty; ipod; kissmyrear; mpaa; music; riaa; riaacantenforceit; savefairuse
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To: Recovering_Democrat

When they reimburse me for their collusion to keep the prices of CD's artificially high for 20 years... then I'll think about it... the RIAA brings NOTHING to society, and needs to be flushed down the toilet of history. Artists don't need them anymore... and that's the real truth that the digital age is making clear..... and it scares them to death.


21 posted on 02/13/2006 11:11:24 AM PST by HamiltonJay
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To: beltfed308

through the serial number. their campaign contributions, to both parties, have essentially given the RIAA quasi government powers to go after citizens.


22 posted on 02/13/2006 11:11:50 AM PST by oceanview
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To: HamiltonJay
BULL.. If I buy music legally.. I can sell that music to another person... just like I can sell my CD's or Tapes WITH my stereo... RIAA can kiss my butt.

When you buy a CD or purchase an MP3 download, you are not buying the actual music - you are licensing the private use rights of a copyrighted work. If you truly want to buy the music itself, you have to buy the copyright catalog. Then you can do whatever you want with it.

23 posted on 02/13/2006 11:12:51 AM PST by Antonello (Oh my God, don't shoot the banana!)
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To: HamiltonJay

nope. when you sell your CD to someone, you are selling what is (presumably) your only copy of it, and the right to use it passes to the buyer. when you sell an IPOD, your songs are still stored in ITunes and can be loaded onto your new Ipod - so you have essentially sold a copy of those songs to someone on your old Ipod.


24 posted on 02/13/2006 11:13:30 AM PST by oceanview
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To: ClearCase_guy

"It's stuff like this that will force a complete re-think of intellectual property rights. You can't set up an infinite series of hoops and then expect customers to jump through them all. When it is too hard to adhere to the law, people cease to try."

I'm with you 100% on that. I also really dislike the strategy of the record industry. Suing old ladies because a 12 year old grandkid downloaded the latest Backstreet Boys song isn't the way to win many friends. Threatening to sue people who sell their electronics is outrageous.


25 posted on 02/13/2006 11:14:02 AM PST by SmoothTalker
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To: HamiltonJay
It's not a problem if you wipe your original music files from your computer, so that the only original files are with the iPod. However, if you load an iPod with songs, then sell it, while keeping the originals, yeah, it's a copyright infringement.

There was a scam a while back where computer manufacturers would buy one copy of Windows and install it on every machine they sold. People thought they were getting a legal copy of Windows, but they weren't. Some manufacturers were even loading up with Office, Photoshop, etc., so that the value of the pirated software was greater than that of the computer.

I don't like RIAA, but they've got a point, here.

26 posted on 02/13/2006 11:14:40 AM PST by Richard Kimball
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To: nickcarraway
If you buy a CD, the download it to your iPod, the lose it, ahve you committed a felony to the RIAA?

Actually, yes. At least according to Sony, if you make digital copies from a CD you buy, and someone steals the CD, you're supposed to erase your digital copies. IOW, they're less concerned that a thief has a CD you bought and paid for than that there might be two copies of a single CD in the wild. A$$holes.

27 posted on 02/13/2006 11:15:03 AM PST by Still Thinking (Disregard the law of unintended consequences at your own risk.)
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To: ambrose; Cagey; Caipirabob; CFC__VRWC; cyborg; DaveMSmith; Dont Mention the War; ...
iPod
Send FReepmail if you want on/off iPing list
WARNING: This is a high-volume Ping list. Turn your headphones down
The List of Ping Lists

28 posted on 02/13/2006 11:15:45 AM PST by martin_fierro (< |:)~)
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To: HamiltonJay

this is just the beginning. did you know that the MPAA is now pushing legislation to essentially outlaw privately owned DVRs? they want all Tivo/DVR technology to be leased by the consumer from the cable provider - who will control the content management of the programs you dare to record to your DVR.


29 posted on 02/13/2006 11:15:50 AM PST by oceanview
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To: Bommer
Wonder if the same applies to selling a video tape I recorded an HBO movie on and then sell it in a garage sale?

Attention:

You have been added to our database of serious copyright law violators. One of our associate attorneys will contact you soon with instructions on where to send your extor... er... settlement if you wish to avoid costly litigation.

Sincerely,
RIAA customer service

;-)

30 posted on 02/13/2006 11:16:47 AM PST by TChris ("Unless you act, you're going to lose your world." - Mark Steyn)
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To: nickcarraway

Better yet, don't buy an iPOD. If 1 Gig is enough, but an RCA Lyra. Their 1 Gig version is around $125 and comes with a FM transmitter for the car. Also, you don't need to mess with iTunes just to put music on it. It works just like a flash drive....plug-n-play.


31 posted on 02/13/2006 11:17:26 AM PST by Niteranger68 ("Only 4 out of 3 Democrats actually vote.")
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To: nickcarraway

Since when does the RIAA presume to dictate about the general public about the use of their private property?


32 posted on 02/13/2006 11:17:48 AM PST by The Sons of Liberty (Former SAC Trained Killer)
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To: Bommer

>>>Wonder if the same applies to selling a video tape I recorded an HBO movie on and then sell it in a garage sale?<<<

From a pure, legal/technical sense, yes. But it's unlikely the MPAA is going to come after you if you do - unless you have a perpetual garage sale going on, and all you have to sell are recorded movies.


33 posted on 02/13/2006 11:17:48 AM PST by Keith in Iowa (Howard Dean: Bankrupting the Democratic Party morally, intellectually, and financially. Go Howie go!)
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To: Recovering_Democrat

Actually, a lot of people are apparently doing this on auction sites. Some of the new ipods and new MP3 players can hold HUGE collections of music (like on the order of 5-10K worth of music as estimated by the retail cost of buying all the CD's individually or in collections).

So someone who doesn't respect copyright can sell their whole music collection over and over again (because they are selling the ipod for MORE than you would buy it brand new), and it's essentially disguised as selling a new ipod as opposed to selling "pirated music" which is obviously illegal.


34 posted on 02/13/2006 11:17:58 AM PST by 95Tarheel
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To: nickcarraway; xsmommy; Tijeras_Slim; Constitution Day
Wipe your iPod before selling it and get your smelly finger scent off of it.
35 posted on 02/13/2006 11:18:41 AM PST by martin_fierro (< |:)~)
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To: oceanview
Interesting thought. Why doesn't Apple include a button or menu item in iTunes that's labeled, "Prepare iPod for Original Owner Sale...?" Its use would delete all songs and playlists from the device.

See, Apple hasn't thought this out well, either.

36 posted on 02/13/2006 11:19:10 AM PST by Lou L
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To: ClearCase_guy
It's stuff like this that will force a complete re-think of intellectual property rights

Let us all hope so.

37 posted on 02/13/2006 11:19:17 AM PST by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: nickcarraway
Oddly enough, I don't think I've ever heard software companies claiming that you're a criminal if you don't wipe your entire hard drive clean before selling your computer to someone else.

I'm all for recording artists making the money that they deserve, but the arrogance of the RIAA is just too much to take at times.

38 posted on 02/13/2006 11:19:19 AM PST by jpl ("We don't negotiate with terrorists, we put them out of business." - Scott McClellan)
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To: martin_fierro

Looks like what those people need is a good sharp stick!


39 posted on 02/13/2006 11:19:31 AM PST by Still Thinking (Disregard the law of unintended consequences at your own risk.)
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To: The Sons of Liberty

>>>Since when does the RIAA presume to dictate about the general public about the use of their private property?<<<

The only personal property you have when you buy a music CD is the media itself. When you buy a CD, you are buying the media, and renting permission to use the contents.


40 posted on 02/13/2006 11:19:38 AM PST by Keith in Iowa (Howard Dean: Bankrupting the Democratic Party morally, intellectually, and financially. Go Howie go!)
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