Posted on 02/13/2006 9:20:02 AM PST by sergey1973
PARIS -- 2006 could prove to be a very dangerous year for Europe, especially for France.
Jacques Chirac may have thought that opposing America and Israel would keep France safe from terror, but it has not.
Christmas Eve 1994, seven years before 9-11, Islamic terrorists from Algeria tried to fly an Airbus into the Eiffel Tower. They were stopped by French commandos at an airport in Marseilles, where the terrorists were waiting on a full load of jet fuel. They had already packed the plane with dynamite.
Europe has lived under the threat of Islamic terror far longer than the United States, but it has largely been in a state of denial, as high immigrant birthrates from Muslim nations turn Europe into Eurabia, and Islamic terrorism becomes a homegrown product.
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Thanks for posting it. -Tom
France/Islamic Terror Ping.
Sure, Capt. Tom. It's really depressing to see Europe descending further into Islamic Barbarism. Looks like we are witnessing something similar to a collapse of Roman Empire. I still have a hope that something will be done to avert it, but so far things are not very encouraging especially seeing how a number of European leaders making apologies for Islamist riots over cartoons.
Well, the article makes a bunch of predictions, which will prove to be wrong.
2006 is not likely to be a year of massive riots in France.
Terrorist attacks are always possible, but the security forces are focused and have the tools they need to do their job. There is little to no politicization of the anti-terror effort in France to hamstring the government such as there is in the USA.
The riots were widespread, but not very deadly: they fit the French model and not the Islamist terrorist model.
Of course French nationalists have gained in popularity in their aftermath. This makes it easier for the government to undertake intrusive steps regarding Muslims, not harder.
And Muslim leaders in France have published articles saying that there's no reason to riot over the cartoons. There is a battle going on for the heart and soul of Islam in France. The article presents that battle as already lost, but I think that it is more won than lost, and that France will emerge just fine.
I hope you are right, but we have to see how events unfold either in 2006 or in the next few years.
What color is the sky in your universe?
Here's the solution: Arm the French populace with Remington Model 1100 Automatic Shotguns ( yes, I know they're pussies )and cases upon cases of 00 buckshot. Tell the well-to-do elites to mind their own business and let the people (see:vigilantes) do the work that the police are either afraid to or won't do. Now I'm not guaranteeing a made for Hollyweird scenario but I bet you that within a couple of nights it'll be over. Now they can afford the diaperheads a decent burial, like say a mass grave, but what do you expect? While they "rioted" the last time there were reports of muslim fighters from Chechnya and Bosnia in the mix. They weren't there just to say hello or attend their nephew's bithday partys, those folks were there to draw blood, which is what the surrender monkeys should be trying to do. But, then again we're talking about the French here, so I probably post in vain.
didn't know that about France -- good information. But it makes the French government's actions in regard to the war on terror even more despicable.
Three weeks of burning and rioting, yes, but with only one fatality and a few injuries.
That is the important distinction that makes this an (ugly) French internal matter and not a part of some Islamist jihad.
What went on in France was the result of social exclusion: this is what the French believe, and it is what the rioters have been saying. It is probably true, too. Which means that the measures being taken, which address that directly, will prevent a recurrence IF that is really what caused those riots. Of course, if the French are wrong and it was not social exclusion, then the changes won't make any difference. My own view is that the French are right, the rioting youth were telling it like it is in expressing their views of what they were doing, and that the programs that are being put in place will prevent a recurrence.
If there is not another eruption of rioting, then those of us who think that is what is going on will be vindicated. If Paris burns anyway, and the violence explodes everywhere this year, then it will demonstrate that it is a jihad and not an internal French issue.
Do you believe this is a social exclusion issue?
Do you think Muslims go to Infidel countries to adopt the decadent Infidel culture and become French ,German, American etc. The last thing the Muslms want to do is become like Infidels and adopt an infidel culture. Some so-called Muslims will do just that, but a Muslim won't have any problem killing them as Infidel collaborators. And we have seen that and it will continue.
The Muslims tell you flat out what this push into enemy(Infidel) territory is about. Taking over the Infidel country for Islam, and installing sharia law. If you don't like that, they will ultimately kill you. With the blessing of Allah of course. - tom
Well, my Muslim cousins living the "banlieux chauds" talk about exclusion and prejudice and not much about Allah. Only about half of the North African French actually practice any religion, although everyone knows the palaver. How many practicing Christians are there in France (or America)? Some small subset of the population. How many people know the Lord's Prayer? A lot more.
I suppose it could be possible that my cousins are just plotting the day when they can slit my throat for Allah, but I doubt it. I see the social exclusion directly. It is not hard to see, really. Of course people will explode when they are sealed off from rising out of the slums in their own country.
I don't know about "Muslims" going to "Infidel countries".
I know quite a bit more about Moroccans, Algerians, Tunisians and Iranians coming to France, in different waves, either to find work or to escape oppression. The Beurs did not come to take over. They came to work when France's labor needs outstripped the native French labor pool. They had children, who are French, and their children had children. But then the mines closed and the factories and the older generation became dependent on the government, and the younger did not have a way out. And French society has not opened the door for them. One sees in American cities like Detroit the same problem: as industry disappears, the population that served it is degraded and the whole society becomes dismasted.
That is what has happened in France.
In England, it is a different thing because the people there are different. Pakistanis and Egyptians, Palestinians and Gulf Arabs from the old British Empire in the Middle East are a different thing. They were not so heavily acculturated as the Berber of North Africa were into France. Also, the dynamics of England are different.
Germany, with its Turks, is also a different case.
You see one wave of Muslims peopling all of Europe.
I see different people from different cultures, with very different challenges depending on the country.
France has many more people of Muslim extraction, but many more secular ex-Muslims than the other countries. France's problem is not non-integration and Muslim particularism, but imperfect integration, with all of the promises of the French state extended, and all of the education, but then foreclosed from actually being able to move out of the cites and progress because of invidious discrimination.
The riots were a wake-up call about this, and that is the message France took from them.
So, you see a Muslim invasion moving into all of Europe.
We see a particularly French problem related to not living up to the ideals of the Republic, and are addressing it that way.
France suffering a terror attack would probably be the ONLY way to engage the 'rats on the issue and turn them against AQ.
That is how I see it. Time will make things clear.
Fortunately for the US, Israel and France are canaries in the mine, and will tell how this Muslim invasion is going to work out.
I think I know the answer. - Tom
Leave it to "French intellectuals" to debate the obvious.
"Fortunately for the US, Israel and France are canaries in the mine, and will tell how this Muslim invasion is going to work out.
I think I know the answer. - Tom"
I think I know the answer too.
Israel is the modern Outremer. It is only sustainable with continuous support from the West. The numbers and native birth rates of the Arabs outstrip the Jews, and in the end, Israel will be submerged by sheer numbers, when the West is divided and the trouble of maintaining support for Israel is adjudged too expensive. Outremer lasted about 150 years. Israel will probably not last that long.
France will integrate the Beur and the country will continue as a mostly secular Republic. The Beurs will blend in, as the other races have before them. The appeal of French secular culture will continue to overwhelm the astringency of Islam. Mohammed will succumb to sex.
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