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1 posted on 02/10/2006 10:18:20 AM PST by SirLinksalot
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To: SirLinksalot
The efforts to teach intelligent design in the schools is backed by media-savvy, well-financed organizations like the Discovery Institute that aren't afraid to hire high-powered public relations firms to advance their cause.

Its all part of the vast right-wing conspiracy?
2 posted on 02/10/2006 10:26:30 AM PST by Mulch (tm)
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Dean said the debate has remained alive because the scientific community has failed to make the case for evolution to the ordinary person. That is at least partly due to neglect, she said.

"They often see no necessity to do so, and our society as a whole suffers for it," Dean said.

Dean has it backwards. Our society as a whole suffers from the unscientific and irresponsible promotion of the inexcusable pablum otherwise known as evolution. The neglect has been our slow reaction to it. Thank God some capable people are finally taking up the battle standard.

But their work is cut out for them, due in no small measure to the ridiculous, contemptible predjudice of the judges in this country toward evolution and their inexcusable and traitorous opposition to any cogent, critical analysis of it. Way too much of our social deterioration is laid right at the feet of federal and district court activist judges.

The debate remains alive because evolution activists know they have the support of judges, and some of them are one and the same persons.

4 posted on 02/10/2006 10:39:02 AM PST by donbosco74 (EENS: more than you might think, or ever imagine!)
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5 posted on 02/10/2006 10:40:55 AM PST by VOA
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"What's going on is not being called 'a culture discussion,' it's being called 'a culture war,'"

With ostenisble scientists leaving to go to USC film school and participate in the culture war rather than actually study biology, not surprising no one takes the blow hards seriously.

If you do your science right and your committment is to science you don't need to get the ACLU to have judges decree by fiat people must believe you.

6 posted on 02/10/2006 10:47:43 AM PST by tallhappy (Juntos Podemos!)
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Eating out last night, and no alcohol was involved, it became rather clear that evolution is easily disproven by the simple fact that food, and drink, that we enjoy most is bad for us, but food that is best for us, we largely detest. Wouldn't the opposite be true if we had evolved, rather than been divinely created? :^)


7 posted on 02/10/2006 10:50:51 AM PST by TheDon (The Democratic Party is the party of TREASON!)
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To: SirLinksalot

Ping to self.


8 posted on 02/10/2006 10:51:53 AM PST by little jeremiah
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The fact that God exists simply cannot be ignored as a possibility by science.

Science now affirms that up to 10, possibily 11, dimensions exist and we live in only 4. Science also says those other dimensions may overlap or have interfaces, branes, in ours and other dimensions. Science suggests some of those other 6 dimensions may include 2 additional dimensions of time, thus the concept of timelessness becomes possible.

Who is to say that it is impossible for intelligent beings in those other 6 dimensions to interact and create in our 4 dimensional universe.

Other scientists suggest there may be an infinite number of multiverses. Perhaps beings from other of those universes may have learned how to interact in our universe, via "spirits" (uni- or bi-dimensional fields of force)


9 posted on 02/10/2006 11:17:24 AM PST by Mark Felton ("Your faith should not be in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God.")
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I am an evolution supporter -- there's far more evidence for it than for ID -- but I find it strange that Olson or Harvard didn't include a prominent ID supporter in the discussion panel.

I agree that scientists make the case poorly. Here's why I think they do: most of them are products of well-to-do families and excellent schools, and they simply have no idea how little science education the average American has. And most science departments have janitors who are smarter than many high school science teachers, and just about all grade school science teachers.

It's grim to look at what's in a middle school science textbook these days. There's a lot of political cant, and very, very little science.

I recently answered a high-schooler's question, on where did all the breeds of dogs come from. He was absolutely astonished to know that they were the product of human intervention in the form of selective breeding of what were once wild wolves, and there hadn't been differentiated Afghan Hounds and Pekinese since time immemorial (or since Creation, take your pick).

It's people with this general level of education that start withholding vaccination from their kids, for instance, or panic over power lines, or try to get nuclear power plants closed, or go on jihad against flouridation. (I'm not saying ID proponents are all ignorant like this, I'm saying the median of our nation is).

d.o.l.

Criminal Number 18F


18 posted on 02/10/2006 12:57:44 PM PST by Criminal Number 18F
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The debate means nothing to scientists or to science.


21 posted on 02/10/2006 1:49:08 PM PST by RightWhale (pas de lieu, Rhone que nous)
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"..probes how it is that, 150 years after Darwin published his theories and 80 years after the Scopes Monkey Trial, a debate over evolution is raging in this country."

Its because there is an element among Christian circles who are uncannily analogous to their Islamic counterparts in following a literal interpretation of their scriptures.

If somebody doesn't want to believe in evolution, they can believe frogs are spawned from contaminated water and flies from decaying meat for all I care. But they shouldn't be permitted to inject personal religious views into what is scientific discussion, anymore than scientists should be preaching morality and theology.


22 posted on 02/10/2006 1:55:40 PM PST by ZULU (Non nobis, non nobis, Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam. God, guts, and guns made America great.)
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Goliath complains, but David was so BIG, I never had a chance. Yeah right.


29 posted on 02/10/2006 4:41:55 PM PST by ChessExpert (MSM: America's one party press)
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Same ole' same ole.. "We're not getting our message out".
Bwahahahahahahaha. Truly priceless - right along with the mock niceties while still maintaining the pretense. IE - the only thing new is that they're saying the same things while pandering to the winning side.. ID. They might as well have requested the terms of their own surrender. *chortle*


30 posted on 02/10/2006 4:53:10 PM PST by Havoc
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61 posted on 02/10/2006 10:36:27 PM PST by wallcrawlr (http://www.bionicear.com)
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The efforts to teach intelligent design in the schools is backed by media-savvy, well-financed organizations like the Discovery Institute

The Discovery Institute has repeatedly and clearly stated they are not in favor of ID being taught in public schools!

62 posted on 02/10/2006 10:48:12 PM PST by LiteKeeper (Beware the secularization of America)
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"They often see no necessity to do so, and our society as a whole suffers for it," Dean said."

Funny, but after my 23 years of managerial experience, I have yet to write a report or made a presentation to any board of directors explaining how evolution fits into a business model. Now maybe if I worked for a banana importer, a discussion of monkeys and evolution might then be relevant.


79 posted on 02/11/2006 8:50:49 AM PST by WKUHilltopper
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Though Olson is obviously on the side of evolution, he exposes the shortcomings of both sides. He portrays intelligent designers as energetic, likeable people who compensate for their shaky theory's shortcomings through organization, personal appeal, and money. Scientists, on the other hand, squander their factual edge through indifference and poor communication skills.

I've commented on that observation more generally in a response to Falcon28's reply to PatirckHenry here

The same characteristic or a very closely affine characteristic of psyche that is prone to turn the inttelligent and gifted into Darwinists also makes them poor in literacy and communication skills.

Likewise it may be that a "complementary" charateristic of psyche makes us anti-Darwinists not as fond of the treasure caves of details that the Darwinists love.

We AD's prefer logical analysis first, details secondary. The D's prefer some canned cookbook approach that allows to all the flexibility and freedom in lovingly ordering and reordering their collections of details.

106 posted on 02/11/2006 3:00:19 PM PST by bvw
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147 posted on 02/15/2006 8:35:40 PM PST by VOA
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Darwins Black Box: The Biochemical Challenge to Evolution The Battle of Beginnings: Why Neither Side Is Winning the Creation-Evolution Debate Science and Its Limits: The Natural Sciences in Christian Perspective
Darwin's Black Box:
The Biochemical Challenge to Evolution

by Michael J. Behe
hardcover
Molecular Machines: Experimental Support for the Design Inference
The Battle of Beginnings:
Why Neither Side Is Winning
the Creation-Evolution Debate

by Delvin Lee "Del" Ratzsch
Science and Its Limits:
The Natural Sciences in Christian Perspective

Del Ratzsch


151 posted on 02/23/2006 8:15:05 AM PST by SunkenCiv (Ted Kennedy is just an overweight drunk who has never held a job (or had to).)
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