Posted on 02/06/2006 7:52:43 PM PST by ClassConscious
Edited on 02/07/2006 3:38:17 PM PST by Admin Moderator. [history]
Earlier thread by this poster under another name before he was banned, linked above also:
Bye-bye Delay! So long crooks! Goodbye world, I'm gone by ZOT!
Posted on 01/08/2006 8:43:32 PM CST by SoLongCrooks
Yaa, you repukes are not doing so well, huh? Imagine, you repukes control the presidency, both houses of Congress, and appointed 7 of the 9 Supreme Court justices. Yet the Supreme Court thre out sodomy laws in all 50 states and recognized the right of government to seize land for any reason. And you couldn't pass your Social Security changes could you? Sorry, that was your last shot. Come November, we're going to start seeing more Democratic faces in the House. It's the end for you guys. You guys are celebrating when Bush's numbers go *up* to 45%. Then Faux News trumpets this like it's some kind of victory.
I should add I am not a Democrat, I am a communist. And I know one day the workers will control the means of production, and all the capitalist idle class parasites you guys love will be eliminated as a class. But I also recognize, like the CPUSA, sometimes you must enter a front with the liberals for tactical reasons. We had fun sticking it to the liberals with Nader and the Greens in 2000, 2002 and 2004, but this year we're switching gears. Evo Morales in Bolivia, Hugo Chavez in Venezuela, plus all are other Latin American comrades, and the Left Party in Germany, the Socialist Party in Spain pulling the troops out of Iraq. It's a come back for the workers of the world, BIG TIME. Sorry to all you capitalists and sycophants, or Jesus-believing loonies.
Oh yaa - Bye bye Tom Delay. We control nothing in the government, yet we still control so much! Gramsci was right to make a long march through the institutions. Too bad your shot at power amounted to so little! At least you got your estate tax cut...for a few years anyhow.
*******Beginning of new thread by the same Troll**************
The first thing I will say up front - I am a progressive, not a conservative. This message is about the freedom of Free Republic, versus the party line of Democratic Underground.
If you look at Democratic Underground's rules ( http://www.democraticunderground.com/forums/rules_detailed.html ), one is "Democratic Underground may not be used for political, partisan, or advocacy activity by supporters of any political party or candidate other than the Democratic Party or Democratic candidates." Note, this doesn't say Republicans, this doesn't say "progressive candidates", it says Democratic candidates, period. Now let's compare this to Free Republic's posting guidelines ( http://www.freerepublic.com/help.htm ) - "Broadly stated, the goals of this site are to further conservatism, expose political corruption, and recover a truly constitutional form of government." No mention of the Republican Party. No jihad against you if you make up your mind to vote for Pertouka. No "party line" from the Republican leadership. Significantly, even though DU and FR are compared often, that is a (unofficial) Democratic Party site, you are a conservative site.
I just made two posts saying positive things about the Green party, talking about how people like Clinton and Kerry do not represent working class people and so forth. This was after 200+ posts there by me on other topics. Both of my threads were locked and I was directed to the above mentioned rules, which say those who don't follow the Democratic Party line are not welcome. I then posted a thread saying Free Republic had more freedom of expression than Democratic Underground, and that that was a shame. That was erased.
While my discussion of this was banned on DU, I don't think it will be banned here. I can't believe I am more free to discuss my support of the Greens, or talk about freedom of political discussion on Free Republic than Democratic Underground. And as I said before, the fact that you are a conservative site, not a official or unofficial Republican Party site is probably due to this. The party that runs the White House, Congress and 7 of 9 Supreme Court seats allows people to support Pertouka over Bush on its main political board. The main discussion board for people of the progressive movement declares all must follow the Democratic Party line, and any other discussion is locked and erased. I've even seen people banned before.
This is not going to make me a conservative or Republican. I am a working class person and hate capitalists. Note, I hate capitalists, not conservatives. I know plenty of conservatives, but am not a regular at the mansions of wealthy heirs. Anyhow, my point is this will not make me like capitalism any more, but I am very fed up with the Democrats and places like DU. They restrict freedom, make people follow a party line - and lose. You allow discussion, allow people to choose between Pertouka, Bush and whatnot - and win. Very sad.
I should close this by saying I agree with nothing the Republicans or conservatives are for - except one thing. I am a complete supporter of the Second Amendment. I have been on the left for a long time and the scariest people around are the gun control people. Not the soccer moms who the leaders of gun control people try to appeal to, but the leaders themselves, the people who want more and more gun control. I have heard people like this talk about how they are scared that people up in Appalachia and in the South have so many guns. I am always puzzled like this. For myself, I feel pretty SAFE knowing people in Appalachia, the South and so forth have guns. Why would someone be scared that the working people in rural areas have rifles, shotguns and so forth? The people who say this usually aren't working class people, they are usually liberal yuppie types. So all you second amendment supporters - you're more right than you know, if you heard how these people talk, you'd be more freaked out by all this gun control stuff than you probably already are. The gun control people are the creepiest, scariest people on the left and in the Democratic party. Meaning not the soccer moms and so forth they try to appeal to, but the people masterminding the fight on that. In fact, if you look at DU polls - many many DUers are more pro-2nd amendment than pro-gun control. So who are these gun control people? So keep fighting on this, at least one party supports the 2nd Amendment. Other than this, I don't agree with conservatives or Republicans on anything, especially in terms of the working class. Hopefully this post will shame some DU admin into allowing more freedom of expression for progressives there. You guys can discuss problems in the conservative movement while we can't - we're only allowed to praise the Democratic party, otherwise, hit the road. I hope I shame some DU admin into making changes with this, but I doubt I will.
Duly noted, but I would also point out that there are many pious Christians who have been deluded by liberalism, just as there are a good many conservative Jewish and atheist FReepers.
Moreover, some of the ugliest threads I have seen here have been evangelicals vs. Catholics or evangelicals vs. Mormons. I frequently find myself wishing there were a bit more Christian -- or rather Judeo-Christian -- unity and a little less Bible-thumping and God-shouting around here.
ClassConscious, if you manage to hang on, and it looks like you might, don't think that you have to toe any religious line to be a FReeper or a conservative. Gratuitous anti-Christian statements will surely wear out your welcome, but respectful debate and honestly held differences will not.
-ccm
I like you so far .... stick around and debate
Ahem. I've updated the header of this thread to include a link to a prior thread posted by this troll in an earlier and more truthful life. Once a commie troll, always a commie troll.
You make a good point about the movies; Hollywood seems to be almost incapable of depicting a businessman as anything other than a heartless rapacious villain.
You ought to apply this moment of insight to your own conception of real-life capitalism. What you have said about capitalism makes me think you have internalized the stereotypical media image of the "spatted and top-hatted" robber baron of the 1890's. Much of what the public perceives as the injustice of capitalism actually should be considered anti-free-market interference by the government and government-sanctioned monopolies.
I am a proud capitalist. My partners and I have risked our personal funds and credit to start an enterprise that now employs 250 people. Our employees make a nice living and enjoy good benefits. They are highly trained professionals who could work anywhere, and we have to offer them good terms of employment, or we would soon be out of business. We pay their salaries first, along with all of our other bills. We only keep what's left over at the end of the month. It is not unheard of for us to make less than our highest-paid employees, while working longer hours. I am proud that my business provides 250 people with an excellent job and puts food on 250 tables every day. I feel strongly that no government paper-pusher in the history of mankind has done as much tangible good for society as I do every day.
-ccm
We were right! See what Jim Rob has posted and go read the link he provided.
Ahem. I've updated the header of this thread to include a link to a prior thread posted by this troll in an earlier and more truthful life.That would be THIS thread:Once a commie troll, always a commie troll.
PS - I wonder how JimRob could tell that ClassConscious and SoLongCrooks were the same person...Bye-bye Delay! So long crooks! Goodbye world, I'm gone by ZOT!
Posted on 01/08/2006 6:43:32 PM PST by SoLongCrooks
Yaa, you repukes are not doing so well, huh? Imagine, you repukes control the presidency, both houses of Congress, and appointed 7 of the 9 Supreme Court justices. Yet the Supreme Court thre out sodomy laws in all 50 states and recognized the right of government to seize land for any reason. And you couldn't pass your Social Security changes could you? Sorry, that was your last shot. Come November, we're going to start seeing more Democratic faces in the House. It's the end for you guys. You guys are celebrating when Bush's numbers go *up* to 45%. Then Faux News trumpets this like it's some kind of victory.
I should add I am not a Democrat, I am a communist. And I know one day the workers will control the means of production, and all the capitalist idle class parasites you guys love will be eliminated as a class...
CLICK HERE for the rest of that thread
He must listening to those NSA wiretaps again. :o)
Color me blind.
One of the biggest mistakes ever made in the history of governance. This is why they had food and coal rationing in England even into the 1950's. In fact, food rationing under the peacetime Labour government was even stricter and more far-reaching than during the war!
Anybody who sings the praises of socialism has a lot to answer for. They can start with explaining why, after winning a war, England had to introduce bread rationing during peacetime. This was not even done in the darkest depths of 1940 and 1941, when England stood alone and was almost strangled by the Nazis.
I know what I am talking about here. My father had a factory in England that failed under the heavy hand and crushing taxes of the Labour government, throwing dozens of people onto the dole. The stagnation was not shaken off until Maggie Thatcher came to power in the late 1970's.
Dad sold out and emigrated to the USA, and now employs many more dozens of people here. I employ hundreds of people, along with my partners, as I discussed in a previous post. All of those people benefit from capitalism, while my father's former employees suffered mightily for the ideological chimera of socialism.
Worse than this, we invite our city friends to bring their guns out to the mountains for a day of shooting. We even encourage our city friends to buy more guns since they nearly always have the wrong stuff for self-defense.
He aint the first one to engage the afterburners on the way out of FR and then come back a month later all humble and kissy-poo.
As long as he doesn't get obnoxious again, he gives us a hard-left viewpoint to debate against. I know it's hardly a fair fight, but even black belts have to keep in practice.
Here's a guy flat out saying "I'm your Huckleberry." Check his profile.
And how do most capitalist monolpolies continue to exist nowadays? With government help. Comcast, for example, used to have local monolopoies for cable service. Verizon, back when it was a baby bell, had the same for local telephone service.
Now both are getting much more agressive with their pricing - I can choose from either for high-speed internet now, and other choices are in the works. And their service and product offerings are improving as well.
I think what you are objecting to is the collusion of capitalism and government that leads to monopolies, which in turn leads to high prices, poor innovation and crappy service - and I would agree entirely with your dislike of such.
But how is that different from when government takes the place of capitalism and you can only do business with it - such as the single-payer health system in Canada where you can wait months for an MRI? You have to travel outside the country to circumvent that problem, which means the government has a monopoloy on health care within its borders and no competition to do a better job.
Regarding IT work, I lost my job for eight months in 2002. Had to re-invent myself for about the eight time since I started in IT back in the early 1980s. It would be nice to return to the days when dad worked at the same company for 40 years and retired with a pension. But those days are long gone, and the economic models from back then - closed-market capitalism, socialism and hard communism - none of them can compete nowadays with modern technology and fluid capital markets. The ChiComs have gone capitalistic, the North Koreans are stuck eating tree bark because they haven't, and there are millions of people elsewhere in the world who would love to have my job. That is just the nature of the beast today, and wishing for the economic systems of old to come back won't do anything to address that reality.
They both produce the same thing.
Well, always worth a shot or two. . .OTOH. . .he has just found FR; who knows. . .maybe he will begin accessing a wider range of information. . .I mean; 'probabilities' aside - it is possible!
With a *sigh*. . .as well. ;^)
Will he? I am convinced that some school systems permanently brainwash the students who embrace socialism at an early age. They foster a dogmatic hatred of the wealthy; They ridicule tradition and Christian faith; They are persuaded that the virtues of prudence and modesty are actually rooted in "shame" and fueled by a lack of self-esteem; They are taught to worship sexuality at the expense of intellectual development and civic responsibility.
Frankly, I suspect ClassConscious will not be able to move away from his deep, obsessive hatred of wealth, biblical values and individual achievement.
The last time The guy at post 214 defended someone, it was a troll in the War on Beer ZOT thread.
He thinks trolls should be given free reign and range to roam FRR.
If he's defending someone, that means there is likely a problem with the poster he is defending.
Like, the poster is a troll.
(We have a group of grumpy agitators who have nothing better to do than to wander around and defend trolls and claim we should 'debate' them.)
I'd been hoping for a replacement for Murrymom.. but when one of the troll defenders shows up to spread their joy..
Troll defender + unknown quantity avowed liberal but polite noob = zot in my eyes.
If it was only "unknown quantity avowed liberal but polite noob" by itself minus the troll defender, there would be a slight difference.
She was busy saying that soldiers in uniform should not be allowed to vote.
A few days before that she had a timeout.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1570440/posts?page=34#34
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/user-posts?name=Murrymom
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