My appologies.
Posted on 02/06/2006 7:52:43 PM PST by ClassConscious
Edited on 02/07/2006 3:38:17 PM PST by Admin Moderator. [history]
Earlier thread by this poster under another name before he was banned, linked above also:
Bye-bye Delay! So long crooks! Goodbye world, I'm gone by ZOT!
Posted on 01/08/2006 8:43:32 PM CST by SoLongCrooks
Yaa, you repukes are not doing so well, huh? Imagine, you repukes control the presidency, both houses of Congress, and appointed 7 of the 9 Supreme Court justices. Yet the Supreme Court thre out sodomy laws in all 50 states and recognized the right of government to seize land for any reason. And you couldn't pass your Social Security changes could you? Sorry, that was your last shot. Come November, we're going to start seeing more Democratic faces in the House. It's the end for you guys. You guys are celebrating when Bush's numbers go *up* to 45%. Then Faux News trumpets this like it's some kind of victory.
I should add I am not a Democrat, I am a communist. And I know one day the workers will control the means of production, and all the capitalist idle class parasites you guys love will be eliminated as a class. But I also recognize, like the CPUSA, sometimes you must enter a front with the liberals for tactical reasons. We had fun sticking it to the liberals with Nader and the Greens in 2000, 2002 and 2004, but this year we're switching gears. Evo Morales in Bolivia, Hugo Chavez in Venezuela, plus all are other Latin American comrades, and the Left Party in Germany, the Socialist Party in Spain pulling the troops out of Iraq. It's a come back for the workers of the world, BIG TIME. Sorry to all you capitalists and sycophants, or Jesus-believing loonies.
Oh yaa - Bye bye Tom Delay. We control nothing in the government, yet we still control so much! Gramsci was right to make a long march through the institutions. Too bad your shot at power amounted to so little! At least you got your estate tax cut...for a few years anyhow.
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The first thing I will say up front - I am a progressive, not a conservative. This message is about the freedom of Free Republic, versus the party line of Democratic Underground.
If you look at Democratic Underground's rules ( http://www.democraticunderground.com/forums/rules_detailed.html ), one is "Democratic Underground may not be used for political, partisan, or advocacy activity by supporters of any political party or candidate other than the Democratic Party or Democratic candidates." Note, this doesn't say Republicans, this doesn't say "progressive candidates", it says Democratic candidates, period. Now let's compare this to Free Republic's posting guidelines ( http://www.freerepublic.com/help.htm ) - "Broadly stated, the goals of this site are to further conservatism, expose political corruption, and recover a truly constitutional form of government." No mention of the Republican Party. No jihad against you if you make up your mind to vote for Pertouka. No "party line" from the Republican leadership. Significantly, even though DU and FR are compared often, that is a (unofficial) Democratic Party site, you are a conservative site.
I just made two posts saying positive things about the Green party, talking about how people like Clinton and Kerry do not represent working class people and so forth. This was after 200+ posts there by me on other topics. Both of my threads were locked and I was directed to the above mentioned rules, which say those who don't follow the Democratic Party line are not welcome. I then posted a thread saying Free Republic had more freedom of expression than Democratic Underground, and that that was a shame. That was erased.
While my discussion of this was banned on DU, I don't think it will be banned here. I can't believe I am more free to discuss my support of the Greens, or talk about freedom of political discussion on Free Republic than Democratic Underground. And as I said before, the fact that you are a conservative site, not a official or unofficial Republican Party site is probably due to this. The party that runs the White House, Congress and 7 of 9 Supreme Court seats allows people to support Pertouka over Bush on its main political board. The main discussion board for people of the progressive movement declares all must follow the Democratic Party line, and any other discussion is locked and erased. I've even seen people banned before.
This is not going to make me a conservative or Republican. I am a working class person and hate capitalists. Note, I hate capitalists, not conservatives. I know plenty of conservatives, but am not a regular at the mansions of wealthy heirs. Anyhow, my point is this will not make me like capitalism any more, but I am very fed up with the Democrats and places like DU. They restrict freedom, make people follow a party line - and lose. You allow discussion, allow people to choose between Pertouka, Bush and whatnot - and win. Very sad.
I should close this by saying I agree with nothing the Republicans or conservatives are for - except one thing. I am a complete supporter of the Second Amendment. I have been on the left for a long time and the scariest people around are the gun control people. Not the soccer moms who the leaders of gun control people try to appeal to, but the leaders themselves, the people who want more and more gun control. I have heard people like this talk about how they are scared that people up in Appalachia and in the South have so many guns. I am always puzzled like this. For myself, I feel pretty SAFE knowing people in Appalachia, the South and so forth have guns. Why would someone be scared that the working people in rural areas have rifles, shotguns and so forth? The people who say this usually aren't working class people, they are usually liberal yuppie types. So all you second amendment supporters - you're more right than you know, if you heard how these people talk, you'd be more freaked out by all this gun control stuff than you probably already are. The gun control people are the creepiest, scariest people on the left and in the Democratic party. Meaning not the soccer moms and so forth they try to appeal to, but the people masterminding the fight on that. In fact, if you look at DU polls - many many DUers are more pro-2nd amendment than pro-gun control. So who are these gun control people? So keep fighting on this, at least one party supports the 2nd Amendment. Other than this, I don't agree with conservatives or Republicans on anything, especially in terms of the working class. Hopefully this post will shame some DU admin into allowing more freedom of expression for progressives there. You guys can discuss problems in the conservative movement while we can't - we're only allowed to praise the Democratic party, otherwise, hit the road. I hope I shame some DU admin into making changes with this, but I doubt I will.
He became a GREENIE because the market's tech BUBBLE burst and you find THAT reasonable? LOL
He says that he will never ever, NOT EVER, even be a centrist and THAT is reasonable to you?
Yes he really IS a "capitalist" and apparently always has been. Ergo, he hates himself. So, why can't I hate him too? Well, I don't actually hate him...I just find him pathetic and stupid and childish and petulant and boring and trite and a case of arrested development. He writes as though he was a bright 16 year old; yet, he claims to be 31.
I accept your apology and don't care at all that you disagree with my. I don't demand that everyone MUST agree with me 100% of the time. And even IF I did, nobody would ever have to do it. LOL
It actually is the first part and Communism is the latter. In Communist "heavens", like the old USSR, all they had was Con Eds. Just try to start a company, on your own, in Cuba or N.Korea.
Cute. You are either the most ignorant bookworm in history or one of the smoothest troll I've seen in a while.
My money is on the smoothest troll.
I think productivity increase is good. I think China industrializing is good. As far as the US becoming more and more a high productivity service economy, i think that's good as well. As I said in a recent post, I guess I am really more against monopoly capitalism than capitalism. Meaning more anti-Verizon than anti-Wal-Mart.
Remember, even if you stop, your dream won't. Most of the time it's hard to keep up, but you have to do it. Because once you touch it, once you hold it, it is the rest of your life, it is your life. You live the rest of your life around a dream that you made come true. That, to me has become a wonderful experience. Sure, it was hard, and it wasn't always pleasant, but that's what human beings are supposed to do. They suffer to be better, to make things better.
Don't let anybody tell you that this life is easy, as leftists like to think, it isn't, and it shouldn't be. A thing that is worth your love and dedication should be the one shining glory of your life, whether it be a profession, or your children, or your faith. I'm no better than a housewife that cares for her children, nor am I any better than a mechanic that fixes my car, or the truck driver that delivers my stuff, or the lawyer (I don't like them, but they are the necessary evil), or the store keeper, or the janitor, or the teacher, or the this, or that person that works and makes a living.
I have a good friend that is one of the best mechanics in this country. I have a Classic 1956 Chevy Nomad, and he takes care of that, and so do I, by the way. He helped me rebuild it from the ground up. I have so much respect for this man. It's not a "hot rod" it's a classic. Just like it rolled off the assembly line in 1956. Pristine, and beautiful. My only vice. Rebuilding that car made me a friend, and I will always respect that man for the knowledge that I never had. He taught me so much about that car and mechanics. A nice thing in deed, and a great friend to have.
Agreed.
Man, I've been trying to read this whole thread, and you just made me snort soda through my nose. Now I am blinded by pain and still chuckling. GRRRRRR...
He's both...you nailed him.
I've read through this entire thread and just can't believe a DU person is on the up and up here. Wolf in sheep's clothing? Guess you and I are in the minority.
If I want to hear the lefty crap I can just watch the MSM news.
My appologies.
It isn't your profession, but your tenacity and verve and values and fierce love and honor of family and faith, which impresses me about you. You had a goal, wouldn't allow anything to keep you from succeeding, and you reached your goal and I'm sure, gone beyond it.
Unlike cranky LIBERALS and stinking Commies, you never played the "victim", never blamed others, never hated those who had an easier time/few hurdles to climb. That speaks volumes!
I've been fortunate; I admit it. I've more or less had the life I want/ed.
I am not a troll. I just realized today that FR had more freedom than DU in its sphere because FR is conservative, while DU is Democratic Party Line. DU even says that is what it is in its rules (as FR says in its rules). Imagine the moderators here announcing people here can only support the Republican Party, mention of the Libertarian or Constitution Party was verboten, and any messages that supported the LP or CP would be locked, and possibly erased, with the poster maybe even being banned. That's the situation on DU. Do you really think I am happy with that? I'm not.
I am going to go to bed soon. In the future, I will be following FR threads regarding economics, and gun control. I don't plan on getting into *debates* on economics in other threads, but perhaps I will be involved in discussions on economics. I'm mostly interested in what those well-versed in macro-economics think about certain things. I am not that familiar with the arguments of conservative economists like Hayek, Milton Friedman and so forth. I don't entertain hopes of converting anyone to my view of economics since I only started seriously reading about economics in 2000 and there is so much that I do not know.
Anyhow, I am soon going to sleep. Some responses have been interesting.
No, we aren't in the minority at all, here. The bleeding hearts just out posted our side and not that many people have posted to this thread...yet.
So you like to bite the hand that feeds you? You have a jealously issue whether you admit it or not.
Right.
I don't plan on getting into *debates* on economics in other threads
You ain't been debating here, just spouting reading lists and corporate names with inaccurate info attached, you won't defend lefty economics because you would have to post BS and you would be tagged in a heartbeat. Give your employees a raise so they can buy hipboots.
Bye.
Could you perhaps provide a modest list of the contributions of non-capitalists to the world? Given your attitude one might expect this list to be quite impressive.
I agree.
-ccm
It's like how advancing technology is the real solution to envionmentalism, while capitalism has afforded us the leisure to be able to care about the environment and expend our 'leisure' capital towards that end. I've never understood why environmentalists so often seem to despise the very systems that would help their supposed interests.
You know, you might just find that modern day 'conservatism' is really the most effective route towards 'progressive' goals - at least better than anything else we humans have happened upon in the last many miilenia.
ps - wrt the gdp - its the same on a micro-economic scale - eg your new enterprise. Watch out for cash flow. That's what kills most new businesses. Too slow and you starve between influxes. Too fast and you drown. Keep the flow steadily growing, and if it takes off faster than you can handle, get the hell out - Sell the business to someone who is well enough financed to handle it and start over. You'll get a better education in economics through your own business than you ever will any other way.
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