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LIVE THREAD: SJC hearing on the NSA surveilance program - C-span 1; 9:30 am EST

Posted on 02/06/2006 6:08:53 AM PST by ken5050

Good Monday morning, once again, fellow political jinkies. The NFL season may be over, but the political season inside the Beltway is 24/7/365. So join us, if you can, as those wacky Dems on the Senate Judiciary committee reprise their pitiful efforts to once again smear President Bush and score political points..


TOPICS: Breaking News; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 109th; ag; albertogonzales; attorneygeneral; doj; dojprobe; gonzales; nsa; spying; ussenate
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To: SandyInSeattle
Meaning there are other programs out there that are doing domestic surveillance? That'll get the dems knickers in a twist (assuming they were listening.)

Sen Wyden from the Senate Intel hearing last week tried to get the panel to discuss that ... Gen Hyden said he would discuss it behind close door session

721 posted on 02/06/2006 9:04:15 AM PST by Mo1 (Republicans protect Americans from Terrorists.. Democrats protect Terrorists from Americans)
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To: SandyInSeattle

Good catch.


722 posted on 02/06/2006 9:04:19 AM PST by Peach (Islam is an army disguised as a religion (Freeper Hoosier-Daddy))
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To: All
Am I hearing right?.....DeWine is siding with the Dems on congressional review (read interference) of the President's war powers?

Leni

723 posted on 02/06/2006 9:04:27 AM PST by MinuteGal ("FReeps Ahoy 4" thread is up. Click red "4" in Keywords list on top of "Latest Posts" page)
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To: bonfire

We should start a leak pool.


724 posted on 02/06/2006 9:04:31 AM PST by daybreakcoming (May God bless those who enter the valley of the shadow of death so that we may see the light of day.)
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To: Gritty
My two cents coming up:

THIS is about constitutional powers and nothing less.

We have three branches of government, not to state the obvious. Congress is NOT, ahem, the administrative branch.

The administrative branch serves its purpose and I'll even tell you what has to happen.

First, congress controls wars via the budget process. Take away the money, boom, no war.

Congress also inputs as to treaties, laws on intelligence, etc. THAT is the congressional role.

Wars are fought by the administrative branch via, read my lips, the COMMANDER-IN-CHIEF.

Which commander-in-chief briefed select congress critters as prudent, got the legal arguments, then did the deed. I am very comfortable with what Bush is doing, as are the American people don't kid yourself.

This whole setup is nothing but a way to keep their irrelevant selves in the news. I speak of the minority party here, which has been rendered basically powerless but hey, they can't fade in the background; they can't be forgotten.

These bunch of losers are challenging the administrative branch of OUR government and I'm not amused.

There's a reason we don't have 100 lords from the House of Lords plus 500+ from the House of Reps running wars, for God's sake.

We have an army, we have a commander-in-chief and there's a reason for that connection. It is the absolutely final recourse of the commander-in-chief to protect this nation. No question at all, ever, and it was part of the plan.

Now how many Americans dying are not enough?

I hear them using the nuclear war analogy, as if, "if a nuclear bomb is about to go off...yada, yada". Okay, is that the minimum? Like, "if a nuclear bomb is about to go off" the CIC can torture, scream, kill, bomb back...whatever, whatever? So that's about what? twenty million people or so?

Now at how many Americans does this cut-off begin when that absolute power for the CIC begin to decline? Hmmmm.?

So if it's only about two or three thousand Americans that might be saved by, say, a communication intercept program that monitors calls with the enemy....well for that few Americans the CIC loses power. After a few weeks we won't even miss two or three thousand Americans.

What's going to have to happen is for this administration to refuse to be challenged, not to mention, distracted, by this totally outlandish challenge to the separation of powers by our constitution.

I'm serious. Just refuse. Don't send Gonzales up there. Give congress the finger. Let congress send it to the supreme court or whatever to do when the separation of powers is challenged.

That's the only way this politcal gamemanship that endangers ALL Americans, is going to stop.

You're welcome. ;)

725 posted on 02/06/2006 9:04:34 AM PST by Fishtalk
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To: SE Mom
Thanks for the link. What a group of unhinged fascist.
726 posted on 02/06/2006 9:04:37 AM PST by processing please hold (Be careful of charity and kindness, lest you do more harm with open hands than with a clinched fist)
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To: Carolinamom

Nope.


727 posted on 02/06/2006 9:05:10 AM PST by BigSkyFreeper (Proud to be a cotton-pickin' Republican on the GOP Plantation)
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To: hipaatwo

I believe the first part of the shirt said "Follow the law"


728 posted on 02/06/2006 9:05:23 AM PST by frankjr
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To: daybreakcoming

I'm in.


729 posted on 02/06/2006 9:05:34 AM PST by bonfire
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To: Fishtalk
Give congress the finger.

I just spit my coffee out! LOL!

730 posted on 02/06/2006 9:05:54 AM PST by conservativebabe ("I came here to chew bubble gum and kick @ss, and I'm all out of bubble gum")
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To: frankjr
What? Now the Dems want warrantless surveillence of all domestic communications?

What....you expect them to be consistant?!!!

You must be laboring under the mistaken impression that they are concerned only with the proper functioning of the Republic.....

731 posted on 02/06/2006 9:06:07 AM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (History is soon Forgotten,)
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To: bonfire

I thought the meeting should have been over the minute Hatch started detailing the court decisions that support any president's inherent authority to conduct this kind of program, especially during wartime.


732 posted on 02/06/2006 9:06:27 AM PST by Peach (Islam is an army disguised as a religion (Freeper Hoosier-Daddy))
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To: Mo1
Sen Wyden from the Senate Intel hearing last week tried to get the panel to discuss that

Wyden bragged about shutting down Poyndexter's data mining program (I don't think that's something to brag about, but hey, I'm on our side in this war), and he thinks they are still doing it, just not in the open.

733 posted on 02/06/2006 9:06:56 AM PST by Bahbah (An admitted Snow Flake and a member of Sam's Club)
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To: MinuteGal

I was listening to DeWine (while getting interrupted by Mr. Peach) and couldn't make head or tails of where he was coming from.


734 posted on 02/06/2006 9:07:15 AM PST by Peach (Islam is an army disguised as a religion (Freeper Hoosier-Daddy))
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To: LucyJo

Did you catch what was written on it?


Last line was Arrest Bush..the other crap on it I forgot..LOL


735 posted on 02/06/2006 9:07:37 AM PST by hipaatwo
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To: bonfire

You probably already won with your estimate. :o)


736 posted on 02/06/2006 9:07:54 AM PST by daybreakcoming (May God bless those who enter the valley of the shadow of death so that we may see the light of day.)
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To: pbrown

The dims are at the very least "Useful Idiots" for the terrorists..


737 posted on 02/06/2006 9:08:11 AM PST by MEG33 (GOD BLESS OUR ARMED FORCES)
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To: Peach

I'm enjoying listening to them trying to make Gonzales agree with their proposed legislation that he hasn't seen and knows no details of. Good for him, patiently repeating that they'll "take a look at it" but no promises. Bwahahaha!

He's going to need a good, stiff drink when this is done.


738 posted on 02/06/2006 9:08:14 AM PST by Not A Snowbird (Official RKBA Landscaper and Arborist, Duchess of Green Leafy Things)
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To: Peach

This is the most "troubled" bunch of people I have ever seen. How DO they live day to day?


739 posted on 02/06/2006 9:08:19 AM PST by conservativebabe ("I came here to chew bubble gum and kick @ss, and I'm all out of bubble gum")
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To: Fishtalk
I'm serious. Just refuse. Don't send Gonzales up there. Give congress the finger. Let congress send it to the supreme court or whatever to do when the separation of powers is challenged.

Not that his venue is one that will trigger the response, but Congress has the power to remove the president from Office.

740 posted on 02/06/2006 9:08:26 AM PST by Cboldt
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