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Another look at the FairTax
Human Events ^ | Jan 31, 2006 | Jim Burns

Posted on 02/02/2006 7:35:33 AM PST by thehumanlynx

It is that time of year again. President Bush will journey tonight to Capitol Hill to do a ritual called the State of the Union address before a joint session of Congress. That is, for members who decide to show up.

The President will outline what he wants Congress to do. He will get huge media coverage, those members of Congress who love getting their faces on television will arrive early to get an aisle seat so they can be seen shaking hands with the president and then they will converge in Capitol Hill’s Statuary Hall afterward and do interviews with television and any other media outlet that wants to talk to them....

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: fairtax; nrst; taxreform
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To: justt bloomin

We passed a flat tax twice. Once in 1913 and once in 1986. The 1986 version alone has been amended 10,000 times since.


21 posted on 02/02/2006 10:17:40 AM PST by groanup (Shred for Ian)
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To: groanup

On that basis, actually 3 times with the first being in 1863.


22 posted on 02/02/2006 10:39:58 AM PST by pigdog
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To: Kidan

You should like the FairTax then since it eliminates the income tax, the corresponding tax code, estate tax, gift tax as well as the IRS - and it requires the income tax records to be destroyed. It also calls for the repeal of the 16th amendment.


23 posted on 02/02/2006 10:43:03 AM PST by pigdog
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To: The Bat Lady

You won't be ... see post #23.


24 posted on 02/02/2006 10:44:20 AM PST by pigdog
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To: Boundless

Exactly.


25 posted on 02/02/2006 10:48:06 AM PST by Kidan (Tolerance is the virtue of a man without convictions - G.K. Chesterton)
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To: John SBM; thehumanlynx
I'm constantly surprised by the number of people who still have no idea what it's about, and then by their attitude that it will just never happen.

For many people not being wrong or not making an error is prominent. This tells us something about an environment that derides people for making mistakes and errors.  The reality is that mistakes and errors present opportunity to benefit oneself by correcting them oneself. The wrong thing to do is rationalize ones own errors as not being an error but rather something else. The person that rationalizes cuts themselves off from the opportunity to benefit themselves. 

History, some people erroneously think that they wont be wrong if the stick to the status quo. History is not an accurate tool for predicting the future. If it was an accurate predictor man would never have progressed from cave dwellers, fire starters or wheel inventors to nuclear physicists. Looking backwards we see that the future is ever-changing.

26 posted on 02/02/2006 10:59:19 AM PST by Zon (Honesty outlives the lie, spin and deception -- It always has -- It always will.)
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To: pigdog

What happened in Washington DC in 1863 had nothing to do with me. :^)=


27 posted on 02/02/2006 11:10:03 AM PST by groanup (Shred for Ian)
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To: thehumanlynx

Good post. Welcome to FR!


28 posted on 02/02/2006 12:33:03 PM PST by ovrtaxt ("I've noticed that everyone who is for abortion has already been born."- Reagan)
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To: ovrtaxt; pigdog; ancient_geezer; Principled; phil_will1; Conservative Goddess; Zon; All

Anyone know the new Speaker's (Boehmer) stance on HR 25?


29 posted on 02/02/2006 1:25:11 PM PST by groanup (Shred for Ian)
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To: groanup
The FairTax scorecard indicates Boehner, leans in favor of the FairTax but is not a co-sponsor nor has he demonstrated being committed to any degree.
30 posted on 02/02/2006 1:51:53 PM PST by ancient_geezer (Don't reform it, Replace it.)
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To: thehumanlynx

Great post. I agree the fair tax may not be perfect but it's a hell of a lot better than the disaster we have now.


31 posted on 02/02/2006 3:11:50 PM PST by rodguy911 (Support the New Media and F.R.)
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To: socialismisinsidious

bttt


32 posted on 02/02/2006 6:26:25 PM PST by Badray (In the hands of bureaucrat, a clip board is as deadly as a gun.)
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To: groanup

"Anyone know the new Speaker's (Boehmer) stance on HR 25?"

Hastert is still the speaker: Boehner is majority leader. AFFT lists him as "Leans For" on their scorecard.


33 posted on 02/03/2006 12:29:38 AM PST by phil_will1 (My posts are in no way limited or restricted by previously expressed SQL opinions)
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To: Badray
LOVE your tagline! ~c
34 posted on 02/03/2006 4:59:39 AM PST by socialismisinsidious (Liberals are all about choice UNTIL you choose differently than them.)
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To: groanup

But think about it just like a SciFi story ... your great-great-great grandfolks might never have me if it weren't for ggg-gpa walking into her office to pay his taxes ... and then you'd be - mebbe - non-existent.


35 posted on 02/03/2006 9:02:47 AM PST by pigdog
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To: socialismisinsidious

Thanks.


36 posted on 02/03/2006 10:22:03 AM PST by Badray (In the hands of bureaucrat, a clip board is as deadly as a gun.)
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To: pigdog

What I mean is, my GGGPA's were in the Confederacy. LOL.


37 posted on 02/03/2006 3:16:24 PM PST by groanup (Shred for Ian)
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To: groanup

Guess that figgers from yer home page ....


38 posted on 02/03/2006 4:15:47 PM PST by pigdog
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To: RobFromGa

Sorry I just saw your note. I was out of town, then very busy.

The way I present it to people varies on the context. The most frequent mention is usually when talking to a business owner about a companies financial statements. - For your context, I am a business broker - I work with people who are either selling or looking to buy a business. Business owners are usually S-Corps, and almost every single one uses the corp to pay some personal expenses. This reduces the taxable income, and in effect allows them to use pre-tax money for their personal expenses. In many situations, that type of income is the "make-or-break" difference in their ability to make a decent living while they work their butts off to run their business.

In the context of reveiwing a companies financials to determine the value in a sale, it is often a regular course of discussion about tax policies. I'm constantly surprised by the number of business owners who have never heard of the Fair Tax, and disappointed that so many love the idea but simply believe it will never get anywhere.

From my personal experience, the Fair Tax's impact on small business in this country would be absolutely tremendous! Imagine if business owners could keep their books "clean" - and could then prove their income to a buyer, to a bank, etc. The value of businesses would increase tremendously overnight. That doesn't even consider how many businesses could hire more people if they weren't paying accountants, employer taxes, etc.

From my perspective, the Fair Tax is the single most impactful opportunity we have - if we can push the politicians aside and get it done by the will of the people!


39 posted on 02/16/2006 11:40:08 AM PST by John SBM
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To: thehumanlynx
First, please let's not call a National Sales Tax a FairTax. Maybe its just me but as soon as I hear the gov't use that word 'fair' or 'share' or 'equal' I pucker up my lips and hope I at least get kissed this time around
because I know what else is coming!

Now, maybe somebody can help me out here, I've been IRAing and 401King to the max since the inception of these programs anticipating that when I do get taxed on this money, it will be at a much lower rate since I'll be retired and not have any earned income. With a consumption tax I'll not be taxed at any lower rate since it will not be income bracket driven. Therefore, while saving is a good thing, there don't seem to have been any ultimate advantage after all to pre-tax savings.
I like the Flat Tax a lot better. Young, old, black, white we all pay the same! Unless Democrats regain control, then we're back to 'fair' and 'share' and 'poor' and 'tax the rich' and 'equal' and we'll have a million Flat Tax rates!
40 posted on 02/16/2006 12:05:33 PM PST by Shooter1001
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