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Some in Homeschooling Movement Support "De-Schooling"
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Posted on 01/28/2006 7:49:24 AM PST by Clintonfatigued

Deschooling is the process where many of the bad socialization experiences are "cleansed" from a child who is making the transition from public/private schools into a homeschooling program.

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To: Izzy Dunne

Did you ever wonder why young kids are so eager to learn stuff, and public-schooled teenagers have to be bribed / threatened / cajoled?



Uh, because they've reached puberty and are essentially hormones in over-priced sneakers?


21 posted on 01/28/2006 8:15:53 AM PST by durasell (!)
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To: Halls
I read your post and it reminded me so much of my oldest. He was getting depressed. I had been fighting teachers for years about medicating him for hyperactivity. I spent several 1000 dollars testing him when they wanted to put him in special Ed. Turns out that he had a very high IQ but had some true auditory and concentration problems. I put him in private school for a year and then we moved and he went to a very small public school (around 200 kinder to high) He got a lot of attention and really blossomed. When my youngest started going thru the same thing I pulled him out and home schooled. I wish I had known I could have done this with my oldest. The 1st is a career Navy and has had 5 promotions. The baby is in college and going to be a nurse. Some kids just are not public school material. They need a different way of learning. I wish you the best. You won't regret it. Be aware though that my came out of public school with no disciple regarding studying and that crying and throwing fits may be something you have to go thru for awhile until you get him settled.
22 posted on 01/28/2006 8:16:28 AM PST by CindyDawg
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To: Halls
He needs some one on one attn and more focus.

Indeed. My son is mildly autistic, and we would never consider putting him into the generic school system. He's quite smart, and would soon become bored and disinterested with the pace.

I would encourage you to read, read, and read some more about the process. It's not as hard as you might suspect at first, and your child will be the better for it if you spend more time with him.

23 posted on 01/28/2006 8:18:47 AM PST by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: Izzy Dunne
Yeah, right - the ed schools teach teachers to "let go" and "let the child direct his own education."

That's Montessori in a nutshell. "Follow the child." Although, to be fair, the Montessori philosophy is to factor in the kids' interest, pace of learning, etc. into the lesson plan, not to operate without one.

24 posted on 01/28/2006 8:18:51 AM PST by ReignOfError
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To: durasell
Uh, because they've reached puberty and are essentially hormones in over-priced sneakers?

I think you're confusing cause with effect.

25 posted on 01/28/2006 8:19:52 AM PST by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: Izzy Dunne
Did you ever wonder why 90+ percent of first graders think that they are good learners, and that 90+ percent of high schooler think they are NOT?

And who can say that the public schools are failing?

They are succeeding beyond the dreams of the progressive Leadership.

26 posted on 01/28/2006 8:20:25 AM PST by headsonpikes (The Liberal Party of Canada are not b*stards - b*stards have mothers!)
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To: Clintonfatigued
I deschool both my kids. So far they have learned not to bite or defecate in the house because they are interested in not getting smacked.

We are all still working on jumping up and on eating pillows.

27 posted on 01/28/2006 8:21:07 AM PST by maxwell (Well I'm sure I'd feel much worse if I weren't under such heavy sedation...)
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To: nmh
I had to homeschool one of my kids for a couple of years to teach him to read. Deschooling...teaching him to sit still and pay attention to detail (stop guess reading and look at all the letters of a word) was not easy. It would have been easier had I been the one to teach him to read from the beginning because bad habits would not have been formed.

Also, at group school, everything he did was "just great" - "SUPER." At home getting things right was super; otherwise more work was required. At one point, he told me I was the meanest mom in the world. : (

However, after a few months when he was reading and doing math in his head, he thought I was the smartest mom in the world. He had actual reason to feel good about himself and the truth is, he knew he was faking it in group school and it felt a lot better when it was all real. He was in control of himself. We became much closer as a family. He is spiritually connected to me in a way none of my other children are.

The socialization from group school is not all it's cracked up to be. We should not have factory schools anymore. You only see and understand the extend of the difference between home school and group school when you experience it. The thing that would block most parents from homeschooling, though, is that you have to actually give your life over to it. It can not be one of many chores - like doing homework. It becomes a lifestyle.
28 posted on 01/28/2006 8:21:18 AM PST by Galveston Grl (Getting angry and abandoning power to the Democrats is not a choice.)
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To: Clintonfatigued

Just imagine.....learning w/o ritalin pushers, homosexual pushers, Marxism pushers, "diversity" pushers, "sensitivity" pushers, destruction of boys' aspirations. No wonder there is so little time devoted to core subjects such as grammar, math, history, science. The education system in USA has descended into and has become racketeering.


29 posted on 01/28/2006 8:22:04 AM PST by abenaki
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To: Clintonfatigued

http://www.homeschoolutah.org/pages/pastandpresent.htm

Many U.S. Presidents were home schooled,
among them:

George Washington, 1st President, 16th
taught by his mother, father, and brother

John Quincy Adams, 2nd President
accompanied his father to France at 11

Abigail Adams, wife of John Adams, mother of John Quincy
was taught by her clergyman father and in visits to her cultured grandparents
who had an extensive library

James Madison, 4th
taught by his grandmother until age 12

Zachary Taylor, 12th
taught at home by a tutor

Millard Fillmore, 13th
attended school for short periods; studied the Bible and a hymn
book at home (those were the basic texts of that time)

James Buchanan, 15th
learned arithmetic and bookkeeping in his father’s store

Abraham Lincoln, 16th
taught by his stepmother

Andrew Johnson, 17th
apprenticed to a tailor, learned to read at 18

Theodore Roosevelt, 26th
taught by private tutor, at 19 was sent on the Grand Tour where
he learned a few languages

Woodrow Wilson, 28th
taught at home by his father in a home full of books, in the company of cultivated minds,
until he entered college; didn’t learn to read until age 11
"What need was there to read when I could spend hours
listening to others read aloud?"

Franklin Delano Roosevelt, 32nd
taught at home by a governess

Other Founding Fathers

Benjamin Franklin
six months of schooling at age 8; worked in father’s candle shop
at 10, father taught him to love good books, at 16 his first
essay was published

Alexander Hamilton, statesman, politician
taught by his mother and a clergyman, worked in a general store
from 12 – 16, then entered college

Patrick Henry, Revolutionary leader
informally taught reading, arithmetic, Latin, Greek ancient history
by his father
"Give me Liberty or give me Death."

George Mason, Revolutionary statesman
taught by his mother, occasionally tutored, studied law from an uncle who had
a library of 15000 volumes

Other Famous Non-Schoolers

Ansel Adams, photographer
". . . had difficulty adjusting to traditional schools.  His father decided to teach him at home, and the next
years were extremely fruitful.  Learning experiences were always tapped into the young boy's intrinsic
interests and ranged from playing the piano to visiting an exposition.
Years later, after he had become internationally known for his creative photography, Adams paid tribute to
the courage of a father who was willing to take risks, to listen to that "different drummer" unique to each
child.  In his autobiography, Adams wrote:
'I am certain he established the positive direction of my life that otherwise, given my native hyperactivity,
could have been confused and catastrophic.  I trace who I am and the direction of my development to
those years of growing up in our house on the dunes, propelled especially by an internal spark tenderly
kept alive and glowing by my father.'"
- Reader's Digest


Louisa May Alcott, author Little Women
educated by her father

Susan B. Anthony, women’s rights leader
home schooled by her father

Alexander Graham Bell, inventor of telephone
no interest in formal studies; taught by his talented mother

William Jennings Bryan, orator, statesman
until age 10, taught my his mother who stood him on a small
table to recite his lessons

Pearl Buck, author, Nobel & Pulitzer prizes
taught by her mother until she started formal school at 17

William F. Buckley, political columnists
taught at home by parents and tutors, father taught him politics
 at the dinner table

Andrew Carnegie, steel manufacturer
Refused to go to school at age five so his parents kept him home. An uncle read
to him out loud. After three years he went to school, but quit a 13, later to
become one of the world’s richest men.

Charles Dickens, author, A Christmas Carol
couldn’t afford school; "passions for reading were awakened by his mother" who
also taught him English and later, Latin

Thomas Edison, inventor of light bulb, phonograph
When the teacher called him "addled," Edison’s mother told him that her son had "more sense in his little
finger than you have in your entire body." She took him out of school and taught him herself, making learning
fun for him. She bought him books of experiments; then he went off on his own. Later, he hired a staff of
educated scientists to work on the electric bulb, finally firing them all and figuring it out himself.

Robert Frost, poet, Pulitzer prize winner
disliked school so much he became physically ill; what schoolwork
 he did was done at home until he passed the entrance exams
and entered high school.

General Douglas MacArthur, WWII and Korean War
taught by his mother until 13, then tutored; entered West Point with highest entrance 
exams ever reported

Margaret Mead, Anthropologist
"Some years we went to school.  Other years we stayed at home and Grandma taught us."
"On some days she gave me a set of plants to analyze; on others, she gave me a description and sent
me out to the woods and meadows to collect examples, say, of the 'mint family.' , , , She taught me
to read for the sense of what I read and to enjoy learning."
"Grandma . . . . seldom took more than an hour a day and left me . . . much time on my hands while
other children were in school.
One of Margaret's oldest friends told her in later years, "In my house I was a child.  In your house
I was a person."
- Larry M. Arnoldsen, "On Human Learning,"  UHEA Newsletter, April 1991

Laura Ingalls Wilder, author, Little House on the Prairie

Brigham Young, Mormon colonizer, founder of 200 towns and villages
11 days of formal education


30 posted on 01/28/2006 8:22:50 AM PST by april15Bendovr
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To: Izzy Dunne

I think you're confusing cause with effect.



So, home schooled kids don't reach puberty?


31 posted on 01/28/2006 8:24:21 AM PST by durasell (!)
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To: Clintonfatigued
Had 2 previously home-schooled children from 2 different families back when I taught 6th grade. They knew the TV schedule by heart such as, "Hey John, Jerry Springer is on right now..." "Yeah, did you see the one where...." And they were reading 4-5 years below grade level. Both told me that their moms didn't believe in structured education. Both ended up in public schools at the dad's insistence. I have them this year in 8th grade--now they are reading at grade level, although writing and math is still a big issue.

In my years of teaching and time with my own 2 kids, I've encountered about 20 or so homeschooled children (either in school, church or sport teams) About 1/2 seemed to be receiving excellent educations. The remainder ranged from grade level to big Springer fans.

The reports I've heard from FR are those of parents who are very involved with their kids and providing top-notch educations either at home, at a private or public school. Wish there were more of them out there. All kids would be better off with involved parents.

Cue the chorus of they are still better off than the public school kids........

32 posted on 01/28/2006 8:25:04 AM PST by SoftballMominVA
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To: Clintonfatigued

I'm a big suporter of home schooling... but this deschooling drivel is a riducous excuse to goof off if you ask me, and sounds like some liberal way of home schooling.

Kids today aren't pressured, what a joke, try being a kid in Africa and then tell me about pressure.


33 posted on 01/28/2006 8:25:44 AM PST by conservative physics
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To: durasell
So, home schooled kids don't reach puberty?

Of course they do. But the ones I know aren't like the morons you describe.

34 posted on 01/28/2006 8:26:15 AM PST by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: Clintonfatigued

We homeschooled 5th through 12th grade and our son is now away at college. We were not unschoolers but we weren't school-a-homer people either. I chose my own curriculum and most of my time was spent directing my son's choice of books and discussing their content with him.
I can understand the need to de-tox from school, I think we did that the foirst year, all we formally studied was English, Nath, History and Science. History was mostly biographies and science was lots of hand's on activities. We did lots of field trips!
Kalee

PS. Our son applied to 4 colleges/universities and was accepted by all of them. He received scholarship offers from 2.


35 posted on 01/28/2006 8:27:50 AM PST by kalee
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To: Izzy Dunne

If they're teens, then by definition they're morons.


36 posted on 01/28/2006 8:28:03 AM PST by durasell (!)
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To: Galveston Grl
I think in our own way we all have to deschool. I didn't give my son a vacation though. It was home school the next day. We worked thru these issues as he learned.
37 posted on 01/28/2006 8:29:37 AM PST by CindyDawg
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To: durasell
If they're teens, then by definition they're morons.

Yeah, maybe homeschooling is not right for your kids.

38 posted on 01/28/2006 8:30:56 AM PST by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: Galveston Grl

"You only see and understand the extend of the difference between home school and group school when you experience it. The thing that would block most parents from homeschooling, though, is that you have to actually give your life over to it. It can not be one of many chores - like doing homework. It becomes a lifestyle."

Well said! I advise people who are new to homeschooling and I always point out the time and energy it will take. You will not be a successful homeschooler unless you are willing to make a serious committment to it.


39 posted on 01/28/2006 8:32:07 AM PST by kalee
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To: Izzy Dunne

If I had kids, then it would be boarding school. Someplace far, far away.


40 posted on 01/28/2006 8:32:19 AM PST by durasell (!)
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