Posted on 01/26/2006 4:30:28 PM PST by caryatid
PROVIDENCE, R.I. (AP) — The city of New Orleans could lose up to 80 percent of its black population if people displaced by Hurricane Katrina are not able to return to their damaged neighborhoods, according to an analysis released Thursday by a Brown University sociologist.
Blacks and the poor were disproportionately affected by Katrina, according to the study led by Brown Professor John R. Logan. The analysis concludes that the difficulty in moving back to the city could mean a massive loss of population, overwhelmingly among blacks.
New Orleans was more than 65 percent black before Katrina hit in August, but it appears most of the estimated 135,000 residents who have been able to return are white. Mayor Ray Nagin recently apologized for saying New Orleans would remain a "chocolate city" as he tried to allay fears that blacks would not return.
The study found that if New Orleans' returning population was limited to the neighborhoods undamaged by Katrina, about half the white population would not return and 80 percent of its black population would not. [...]
(Excerpt) Read more at nola.com ...
I have been to NOLA several times for pleasure. Great town for that. No way would I want to live there. You can sense the corruption. It's very palpable.
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I like that. Exactly right.
The transformation is already happening. The stories out of NO about rebuilding the city citye the workers swarming in for construction jobs are heavily Hispanic.
Apparently they are willing to work and live in conditions which the native NO population will not. These guys are hard workers. It will be hard for many employers to turn them out as the city is rebuilt.
And for those people who can't afford to rebuild, look for developers to come in and buy up lots, consolidate them into larger tracts and begin to gentrify the city with an eye to bringing in yuppies who think it would be neat to live there if the housing situation was more upscale.
Mayor Nagin, lots of luck. Time, tides, and money are not on your side.
All states have corrupt politicians. We're the only ones who are despised for them being there.
"why is this an issue?"
Our liberal politicians in Louisiana want all the African-Americans back in the slums to make sure they vote.
They don't CARE if their homes are destroyed, unlivable, dangerous, or below sea level. They don't CARE if their quality of life is poor, dependent, ignorant and immoral.
They don't WANT these people to make a better life somewhere else.
That's why Blanco is trying to delay state elections until her mind-numbed robot constituency can be returned to N. O.
Without the predictable returns from Orlerans Parish, the Louisiana Democrat party is done for.
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"Sorry, Dope ... the facts are not on your side here. The bodies at the morgue in St. Gabriel were disproportionately white [i.e. too many whites for their percentage of the population]..."
It seems to me that the "disporportionate" affectation referred to by the study is discussing POST-Katrina affects, not during-Katrina mortality. Obviously it's just up to chance where devastation hits and if it hits harder where rich people, or white people live, more of them die. If a comet were to strike our planet in the middle of Africa, it is likely that more Africans would die than Asians, but this would be the stupidest study ever if mortality rate were it's sole point. It's what happens AFTER to the survivors where variability that's not just up to chance and nature comes in to play, and clearly, financial well-being is of great assistance in restoring lost or damaged property, addressing bodily injuries, etc...
If a flood were to hit my home town of Walla Walla, it wouldn't really matter if the neighborhood where I lived only had water come up waist deep, and the neighborhood where some millionare lived had his house swept away. Assuming we both survived, I would be devastated financially, with no means to replace my belongings, whereas my fellow, well-to-do Walla Wallan, could simply replace his home, or move somewhere else. Does this make any sense?
Btw, I'm white and poor and I really don't care who died more black or white people... I think its tragic when something like this happens to my fellow Americans. Furthermore I think its immature and insensitive that people on both sides of the issue, and especially liberals, chose to focus on race so much in the wake of this tragedy.
"Welcome to FRee Republic, newby. Those who attack a poster, in a sanctimonious manner, with accusations of knee-jerk conservatism ... without having arrows in their quiver ... should apologize ..."
I don't roll armed! My post wasn't intended as an attack, but I do apologize for the evident sarcasm in the beginning, it's an old, old habit of mine. I'm even sarcastic to myself if that makes any sense.
I DO think it important that WE as conservatives (it was an inclusive statement, that I myself, and probably everybody here are guilty of not living up to at times) approach our political belief structure with objectivism, thoughtfulness, and a whopping dose of philosophical charity, thereby always gaining the moral victory, if not the political victory.
I am a bit puzzled though, that this perceived attack of mine makes you desirous of an apology, whereas a direct reference to me as sanctimonious and a repition of the epithet "newby" are OK (I'm not saying they're not, I think you have the right to call me anything you want but they are more personally directed at me than any of my comments were).
I'm so off topic it's embarrassing, but to expound on the poverty issue, I wish you to know that I have nobody to blame for my poverty but myself. I screwed around in College, had to quit before I graduated, and I have been rather irresponsible in terms of my approach to employment since then. I have been dealt some hard knocks by life, but I don't expect or receive any hand-outs from the government. I feel the Johnson administration made a shambles out of our social structure, and the programs put in place have done nothing to help anybody save for those willing to become leeches draining money from those who have worked hard for it (if one even considers being enabled to live a life of irresponsibility to be a "help"). I think it's despicable that there are people out there who willingly pop out more babies so they can get a bigger check.
I feel though that sometimes conservative reactions to issues of poverty have come to be colored with a certain amount of resentment, as though we shouldn't help them at all (before you get upset, I don't mean you... I have no idea what you think about the poor), and not that we shouldn't be "helping" them in the destructive and wasteful way that we have been since the 60s. In times past people of high moral standing were motivated by ethics and compassion to reach out to those in need around them and we've screwed society up so much that this is much harder than it used to be. Even if one donates to a charity, there's little assurance that they don't have some hidden agenda that they're using some of the money for.
In closing, please only take my words personally if you want to feel personally attacked. I'm usually speaking in a broader sense than I think you perceived me to be.
Take care.
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It's a sarcasm tag. I usually forget to use one, myself. You can go ahead and borrow mine.
i knew this would happen once those levees broke...why go back to crap?
There you go again, breaking your own rules.
Thanks for sharing your opinion with the thread. Have a great day
You broke it again.
Thanks for sharing your opinion with the thread. Have a great day
"By the way, I am not a newbie and I do not attack other posters and I expect the same respect out of you. My opinion matters as much as yours no matter how long you have been a member so do not try and talk down to me like you are more educated than I am. ie, Making smart a** comments to me will get you nowhere and make YOU look stupid."
Making all those smart ass comments on these threads sure make YOU look stupid. You've been uncovered for what you are. If you have nothing more to contribute to these discussions than wisecracks, why post at all?
Thanks for sharing your opinion with the thread. Have a great day.
Sorry, Dope ... this is the only relevant portion of your several long winded posts.Posted by Dope: My post wasn't intended as an attack ...I have already directed your attention to two articles providing adequate support for my statements.
Any researcher or statistician will tell you honestly that they can "get you any result you want" ... by changing the underlying premise and data used.
The fact that the imminent "researcher" at liberal Brown University chose to base his "distinguished research" and "learned article" on the ratio of Black:White in Louisiana, rather than the Black:White ratio in Orleans Parish is telling. Those ratios are near polar opposites and will, of course, completely skew any results based on the wrong choice.
Latest "quickfacts" from census.gov, as of July 1, 2004:
Orleans Parish [New Orleans] --The Katrina/Louisiana threads have been going on now since the end of August, even though you just registered for FRee Republic a few days ago. Most of this was discussed ad nauseum ... before you registered; so, there is an underlying knowledge of facts and events that makes it unnecessary to re-post the same old statistics a thousand times. The facts are clear and are there for anyone with half a brain and access to Google to find for themselves. You can also read back through the Katrina threads ... where people have already posted facts.
Black:White ratio of 67.3:26.6.State of Louisiana --
Black:White ratio of 32.5:63.9.Garbage in ... garbage out ... but it gives the MSM and the uninformed the "support" they need for their untruths.
Sorry, Dope, but your post was taken exactly as you intended it. Learn some tact ... and stand behind your opinions once posted or you will not become a very popular FReeper. No one likes a weasel.Posted by Dope: I'm so off topic it's embarrassing ...
The Louisiana threads are deadly serious ... even though most of the posters now [four months post Katrina] are burned out and are folks who are not involved in the tragedy or its aftermath. Few of them have any sympathy for the people whose lives have been turned upside down. This is largely because of the actions of arrogant corrupt politicians in Louisiana.
Most of the folks whose lives have been turned upside down are too busy trying to rebuild their lives to care much about what you or others think at this point. Many folks have ... lost everything ... or lost a lot ... or waited many months to learn, sadly, that their loved one was one of the previously unidentified corpses ... so they could finally have a funeral Mass and finally come to a place of accomodation with their grief and uncertainty.
Well ... yes, you are.You have posted your long winded self absorbed posts to a News thread ... about Louisiana and Hurricane Katrina. This sort of thing would best be posted as a vanity under Bloggers/Personal. No one here really wants to be bothered with them. Find another, more appropriate venue for things like:
... but to expound on the poverty issue, I wish you to know that I have nobody to blame for my poverty but myself. I screwed around in College, had to quit before I graduated, and I have been rather irresponsible in terms of my approach to employment since then. I have been dealt some hard knocks by life ...FReepers come in all stripes and from all economic strata. Many have been dealt knocks that are more than hard ... and that did not result from their own irresponsible behaviour.
Crawl out of your self and stop wallowing in self-pity ... read the threads for a while and you will find stories that will touch the hardest heart ...
a FReeper recently died destitute but thanks to his friend, another FReeper, will be buried with his family instead of in a pauper's grave far from home; another FReeper's mother died Christmas morning; the young nephew of another FReeper has been near losing his leg to a virulent infection ... and a FReeper who is a nurse has become very involved in the care of a child she did not even know; another FReeper's husband was killed and she is really struggling to provide for her family; another FReeper is the solitary care provider for her disabled son ... and recently lost her mother and her beloved canine companion ... and the list goes on and on and on. And, these do not even include the horror stories of the past Hurricane season.Out of 100,000 FReepers, there are bound to be some whose lives have been golden, who are wealthy, and who have made all the right decisions. I would be willing to bet that those are few and far between. We are a diverse group but seem to be bound together by the golden cord of conservatism. There are many FReep family squabbles ... but, in the end, there seems to be a mutuality of purpose and a commonality of core beliefs and principles.
Be forewarned, Dope, that, if you ever again, post one of your self absorbed "any tragedy that would befall me would be far worse than any tragedy that befell anyone else on earth ... because I have made bad decisions" posts to me again, I will hit REPORT ABUSE and ask the Mods to remove it as inappropriate and off subject.
Either learn how to play the game or ... just go away, newby.
I too am from Lakeview, Canal Blvd and Harrison avenue (The big two story house with the glass front upstairs, across from the Robert E. Smith library). I was there through the whole disaster. I pulled two women and two children out of the flood water who were fleeing the 17th street breach.
The bottom line here is that most of the taxpayers are not returning. No taxpayers, no city.
Using their numbers of 67.3% black; 26.6% non-Hispanic White; and 3.1 Hispanic, this breaks down to pre-Katrina: black 311,107; non-Hispanic White 122,964; and Hispanic 14,330.
Taking it a step beyond, and using the projections of a loss of 80% of blacks and 50% of Whites, that would give a projected population of 62,221 blacks [46.1%] and 61,482 [45.5%] Whites. This fits fairly precisely with the current estimated population of New Orleans at 135,000. Without projections for +/- Hispanic/other population it is impossible to derive that figure exactly, but what is left over is 11,297 people [8.4%]. This might fit the description of there being Hispanics "everywhere" as their population [decreased from 14,330 pre-K to 11,297 now?] would have increased percentage wise from 3.1% to 8.4%.
Hmmmmmmmm. It would appear still to be a majority black city ... and certainly still a majority "minority" city when you add in all the Hispanics. Now, add in all the ultra liberal whites uptown and consider how they always vote for left wingers and democrats ...
Somehow, I fail to see the problem here. What are they complaining about? Does it really have to be 3:1 to satisfy them?
This is going to be interesting. If there is a high Hispanic population long-term, we're going to see some of the most vicious tooth-and-nail race politics ever. If you think the racist demagogues are mean when they're going after whitey...
Now, add in all the ultra liberal whites uptown and consider how they always vote for left wingers and democrats ...
No big change there.
Somehow, I fail to see the problem here. What are they complaining about? Does it really have to be 3:1 to satisfy them?
God has ordained that New Orleans is to be a chocolate city. He told Stingray this personally. Because, y'know, God cares about race.
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