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To: metmom
Note the heavy-duty choker chain, with inward-facing spikes, in the picture...

Yeah, I always feel really comfortable around a dog that has one of those things on it's neck. If that's what it takes to control an animal, the owners can tell me till their blue in the face what a wonderful pet they have and how it wouldn't hurt a flea, and ya know what? I won't believe them!

You know why I'd believe them? Because I respect that they are people who believe in training their dog, not being yanked around by a rambunctious dog while they plead for the dog to heel. It's called a pinch collar. They work well on large dogs because you don't have to be rough with them and you don't need brute strength to have nice responsive reactions to leash corrections. I would much rather see people using a pinch collar softly than a dog that lunges at the end of a leash with a leather collar, or a dog that will choke himself with a regular choker.

Pinch collars are used by many many people in training their dogs... I use them and swear by them for training big dogs without a lot of brute force. They aren't 'spikes' really, and they don't so much hurt as they do mimic the feeling on the neck they'd feel when their mother, or a dominant dog, plotzes them by holding them by the back of the neck. They don't work because they hurt (they don't) they work because they speak to a part of the dog's psyche that they instinctively understand.

Please do something for me... next time you are at a pet store go to one of these collars, put it around your leg and yank on it. I'm serious. They do ~NOT~ hurt like you think they do. They are psychological to the dog, not cruel.

155 posted on 01/27/2006 6:30:23 AM PST by HairOfTheDog (Join the Hobbit Hole Troop Support - http://freeper.the-hobbit-hole.net/ 1,000 knives and counting!)
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To: HairOfTheDog

Good explanation on pinch collars.


157 posted on 01/27/2006 6:57:46 AM PST by GBA
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To: HairOfTheDog
I completely agree these collars and regular choke collars are not cruel but are a valuable tool in training your dog to obey.

In about 1983 I got my first Rhodesian Ridgeback. He was bigger than most RRs and at 1 year weighed almost 90 pounds. 120 pounds at maturity. I took him to "puppy school" to learn how to handle him because he was STRONG but he didn't have a mean bone in his body.

The first thing they said at puppy school was he HAD TO HAVE a choke collar and a 5'leather leash. They recommend the pinch collar if the choke collar wasn't enough.

The choke chain collar turned out to be enough for Odie and he learned his lessons like the smart boy that he was. He lived to be 13 years old and was the love of my life, I still miss him.
163 posted on 01/27/2006 7:29:32 AM PST by Ditter
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