Posted on 01/19/2006 3:56:16 AM PST by ComtedeMaistre
Most conservatives are religious. But there is a small minority of non-religious individuals, who were attracted to the conservative movement because they were influenced by secular movements such as Ayn Rand's objectivism.
Should atheists be welcomed into the conservative movement? Do atheists make good conservatives?
From what I have seen, part of the libertarian "faith" is to hate Christians with their social marxist brothern. One can be economically conservative and socially radical leftist. That is what i see among atheist libertarians.
To me, this an ignorant combination. A morally educated and dedicated society is necessary for self governance; the governance the libertarians want. But they advocate amorality and attack anyone who asserts moral principal and this is the social condition that leads to socialism.
I have argued for years that democracy, capitalism and Christianity and natural allies. All believe in choice and are willing to let individuals accept the consequences of their choice.
Communism, socialism and atheism are also natural allies. All accept government as the center point of their existence. Government bestows benefits and determines what is right or wrong.
I honestly believe that social conservatives are trying to condition other conservatives to further their psuedo theocracy goals. The next step is to shame those who don't agree with those who aren't believers on the Godly aspects of conservatism and slowly run them out of the movement or assimilate them.
I know this almost sounds tin foil, but look at what's happened to the movement and who has the conservative leaderships ear over the past 30 years and more critically over the past 15 years.
Don't you find it the least little bit odd that many social conservatives can live so close to the constitution, yet they have trouble walking in the word becasue no ones perfect?
Assuming you're right about the Taliban's conservative nature, what are they conserving? Not American values. That alone separates them out of the question, does it not?
To my thinking, the Taliban are at least as much totalitarian as they are religious. Our Conservatism, being pro-God, strives to be tolerant of other religious beliefs. The Taliban do not share that value.
I belive that those with deep-rooted faith in Jesus Christ (practicing faith, not just a "professed faith") are more inclined to think conservatively. But yes, an athiest can be a conservative.
Yes, as long as they believe in Intelligent Design. And so long as they don't watch "Everybody Loves Raymond." A preference for Linux over MS helps, though Mac use is acceptable also.
Me neither. They can never 'prove' they don't believe in God. :)
I am one. And your definition of a conservative is excellent.
To find them, all you need to do is start a drug war thread.
No, our laws were establised from many sources, including some Christian sources. Probably more close to judiac sources, as I don't see anywhere in the Constitution to love thy neighbor. Seems most of the New Testament was ignored. But the 10 commandments seem to be front and center.
Without government to assure the rights given under Christianity, Christianty would not exist as it does today.
What a load of codswallop. I know many atheists who adhere to individual freedom, smaller government and conservative values.
Indeed! I think you are spot on actually.
Christ came in the volume of the Book; Psalms 40:7 and Paul made it one and the same as the 'New' Hebrews 10:7.
Psalms 40:7 Then said I, "Lo, I come: In the volume of the book it is written of me.
Man can add or erase whatever they may, will not change the outcome it is Written.
ROFL!!!
Many of our laws could be said to come from religion. Murder, theft, etc. (Ten Commandments for instance). What other laws did you have in mind?
The founding Fathers were conservative because of their Christianity.Jefferson and Franklin both had doubts about the divinity of Christ. Madison did not, but firmly believed that religion and government should be separate matters. Indeed, so did a number of contemporary ministers, such as Isaac Backus.
Conservatism in America is best described as a belief in limitations on government power and an originalist interpretation of the Constitution. As said Constitution makes no religious references except in a Separationist sense, anyone of any religious belief, including none at all, may be considered a "conservative".
-Eric
At the time of our founding, you were either barbaric or civilized. Most civilized were religious or based on what are now considered religious principles In the 1800's socialism and communism began to be explored. In some situations, our society, by embracing certain social aspects has flourished. In some cases, we have chosen the wrong ones or we have administered them incorrectly. However, the great rise of the middle class occurred after WWII and the rise or certain elements of socialism in our society.
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