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(Vanity) Can An Atheist Be a Genuine Conservative?
Comtedemaistre

Posted on 01/19/2006 3:56:16 AM PST by ComtedeMaistre

Most conservatives are religious. But there is a small minority of non-religious individuals, who were attracted to the conservative movement because they were influenced by secular movements such as Ayn Rand's objectivism.

Should atheists be welcomed into the conservative movement? Do atheists make good conservatives?


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To: ComtedeMaistre
Self-government is not possible among a group of people who do not have any moral/ethical belief system. If a group of people without a core system of values and beliefs are given freedom, anarchy and chaos will result.

So, you are saying that atheists have no morals or ethics?

No Core system of values or beliefs?

Really?

Why aren't all atheists in prison?

261 posted on 01/19/2006 8:51:40 AM PST by Dashing Dasher (Saving the Republic - one joke at a time)
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To: batmast
you mean like, "thank God he doesn't exist".
262 posted on 01/19/2006 8:54:23 AM PST by fish hawk (creatio ex nihilo)
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To: shempy

>>Religion is not the only value system......I don't derive these morals from a faith in god but from an application of reason.<<

Religion is not the only value system, but it is the MAIN value system for most people in America and the world.

Most people are not educated enough to be able to engage in the abstract high level reasoning, needed to formulate a set of secular moral values which to live under.

Simple religious teachings work for most people.


263 posted on 01/19/2006 8:54:41 AM PST by ComtedeMaistre
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To: Dashing Dasher
Why aren't all atheists in prison?

Not only aren't all atheist in prison, but atheists are probably the most under-represented group in prison.

264 posted on 01/19/2006 8:54:47 AM PST by shempy (EABOF)
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To: Right Wing Professor
There are exceptions to every rule.  You're judging the middle by the fringe 

Besides,    Libertarians are just Anarchists who bathe.

265 posted on 01/19/2006 8:56:22 AM PST by Psycho_Bunny (Base. All Yours = Mine.)
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To: shempy

But, how could that be? They have no morals, no values! Ask Mr. Vanity!


266 posted on 01/19/2006 8:58:15 AM PST by Dashing Dasher (Saving the Republic - one joke at a time)
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To: shempy

Your worth it and more

You don't have to be something for me to show you kindness, love, and respect. I hope all goes well for you.

God loves you my friend (I am sure others have already said this) and may you find him.

:P


267 posted on 01/19/2006 8:58:23 AM PST by PaulaB (Shine Sweet Freedom)
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To: ComtedeMaistre

Max Eastman and Sydney Hook as well.


268 posted on 01/19/2006 8:59:36 AM PST by RightWingAtheist (Creationism Is Not Conservative!)
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To: Old Professer
Darkness is the absence of light, but when all is said and done, darkness will prevail.

I see how you would think this...but as I draw breath to type this to you..it will not happen my friend.
269 posted on 01/19/2006 9:00:14 AM PST by PaulaB (Shine Sweet Freedom)
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To: mlc9852

Groupthink.


270 posted on 01/19/2006 9:00:46 AM PST by RightWingAtheist (Creationism Is Not Conservative!)
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To: shempy
Not only aren't all atheist in prison, but atheists are probably the most under-represented group in prison.

Not a fair analysis.

As an attorney, I have seen a whole lot of criminal defendants "get religion" while standing before the judge at sentencing.

271 posted on 01/19/2006 9:04:04 AM PST by CharacterCounts
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To: ComtedeMaistre

You can not be an atheist, a conservative AND a deep thinker.

You only get to choose two of the above.


272 posted on 01/19/2006 9:04:21 AM PST by RobRoy
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To: wallcrawlr

And what would lead you to believe God brought this particular person forward?


273 posted on 01/19/2006 9:04:31 AM PST by mlc9852
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To: shempy

Any reliable statistics on how many atheists are in prison?


274 posted on 01/19/2006 9:05:50 AM PST by mlc9852
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To: RightWingAtheist

That's a very simplistic answer to quite a complicated question. I would expect something more thoughtful from an avowed atheist.


275 posted on 01/19/2006 9:07:24 AM PST by mlc9852
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To: CharacterCounts

"As an attorney, I have seen a whole lot of criminal defendants "get religion" while standing before the judge at sentencing."

LOL - I just figured God lived in prison since so many people find Him there.


276 posted on 01/19/2006 9:08:17 AM PST by mlc9852
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To: ComtedeMaistre
Can An Atheist Be a Genuine Conservative?

Maybe...but probably not.....not a pure atheist.

277 posted on 01/19/2006 9:08:32 AM PST by wardaddy (Alito is Clapton)
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To: ComtedeMaistre
This post displays total ignorance of what conservatism is, its history, and the so-called 'religious right's' reltionship to it. Most of the "Christian Right" joined establishment conservatives during the Carter Administration when it became clear the ground rules that had guided this country from its beginnings were about to be changed by activists in government and the courts.

For a broad view of how it came about look HERE

I don't necessarily endorse the source but the history seems pretty even-handed. I'm a conservative who embraces agnosticism, evolution and the right of those who believe differently than me to worship in their own fashion. I expect my personal beliefs to be respected. I fear a Christian theocratic totalitarianism ("Congress shall make no law...") as much as I fear any sort of Utopian totalitarianism of the Marxist or National Socialist variety. In other words, I believe in the Constitution and in the society the Founders meant to establish.

I'm not a conservative because I don't follow someone else's definition of an orthodox religion? Those are real fighting words. Go get some learnin' son.

278 posted on 01/19/2006 9:08:39 AM PST by Bernard Marx (Don't make the mistake of interpreting my Civility as Servility)
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To: mlc9852
Depends on what the issues were at the time I guess but I wouldnt want to close the door to God working through people. Even those that may not believe in him.
A biblical example is the Pharaoh and also King Cyrus.
279 posted on 01/19/2006 9:10:26 AM PST by wallcrawlr (http://www.bionicear.com/)
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To: Dashing Dasher

>>So, you are saying that atheists have no morals or ethics?<<

Some do. But our society works well if atheists remain a small minority. If they become a majority in society, G-d help us. We will have a repeat of the Jacobin Revolution in France.

>>Why aren't all atheists in prison?<<

Most atheists are well educated, and middle-class or better. They come from the socio-economic group least likely to go to prison.


280 posted on 01/19/2006 9:13:04 AM PST by ComtedeMaistre
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