Here in NY Pataki doesn't think too much of gun rights either.
Yeah, but at least in New York state (by that I'm leaving out the city and L.I.) I thought a person could reasonably expect to be able to get a carry permit. Am I wrong? Where I live, you take a class, pass a background check and that's it. I consider both Pataki and Guiliani both to be Democrats and neither would ever get my vote for anything. I'd stay home first. Of course, the Republican Party is so stupid that they won't figure that out until after they fail miserably trying to get one of them elected on a national basis.