Yeah, but at least in New York state (by that I'm leaving out the city and L.I.) I thought a person could reasonably expect to be able to get a carry permit. Am I wrong? Where I live, you take a class, pass a background check and that's it. I consider both Pataki and Guiliani both to be Democrats and neither would ever get my vote for anything. I'd stay home first. Of course, the Republican Party is so stupid that they won't figure that out until after they fail miserably trying to get one of them elected on a national basis.
In rural Upstate NY it can still be complicated to get a permit, you have to jump through a whole bunch of hoops but it's not impossible. Pataki has been trying relentlessly to make it even harder. On this issue he acts like a democrat and it's exactly why he or any other anti-gun politician doesn't stand a chance of winning national elections. That type of politics may play well in liberal NYC but try it in the South or West.