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Pilots Surrender to UAVs
Strategy Page ^ | 1/17/06

Posted on 01/17/2006 6:57:49 AM PST by pabianice

WARPLANES: Pilots Surrender to UAVs

January 17, 2006: The U.S. Department of Defense has decided to make the next generation heavy bomber an unmanned aircraft. The Department of Defense also wants the new aircraft in service by the end of the next decade, some twenty years ahead of schedule. At the same time, the current combat UAV program (J-UCAS, run by the air force and navy) is to be changed as well. The current X45 project will be split up, with the air force and navy allowed to develop a shorter range combat aircraft to suit their particular needs. These will be bombers, with some air-to-air capabilities. The X45 was meant mainly for those really dangerous bombing missions, early on, when enemy air defenses have to be destroyed. But the Pentagon finally got hip to the fact that the J-UCAS developers were coming up with an aircraft that could replace all current fighter-bombers. This was partly because of the success of the X45 in reaching its development goals, and the real-world success of the Predator (in finding, and attacking, targets) and Global Hawk (in finding stuff after flying half way around the world by itself.)

The X45 program started out, two years ago, as a DARPA research project. But last Fall, it was taken from DARPA and given to the air force, with orders to move as quickly as possible. At that time, the plan was to build the X45C version and get it through all the tests needed to certify it for combat. At the time, it was thought another four years would be needed to do that. Now, no one is sure it will take that long.

The X45A has passed tests with formation flying, and dropping a JDAM (actually the new 250 pound SDB version). The X45C will carry eight SDB (250 pound small diameter bombs), or up to 4500 pounds of other JDAMs. The X45A has already shown it can fly in formation and refuel in the air. The X45C will weigh in at about 19 tons, have a 2.2 ton payload and be 39 feet long (with a 49 foot wingspan.) The X-45A, built for development only, is 27 feet long, has a wingspan of 34 feet and has a payload of 1.2 tons. The X-45C will be able to hit targets 2,300 kilometers away and be used for bombing and reconnaissance missions. Each X-45C will probably cost about $30 million, depending on how extensive, and expensive, its electronic equipment will be.

The one topic no one wants to touch at the moment is air-to-air. This appears to be the last job left for pilots of combat aircraft. The geeks believe they have this one licked, and are giving the pilot generals the, "bring it on" look. The generals are not keen to test their manned aircraft against a UAV, but this will change the minute another country, like China or Russia, demonstrates that they are seriously moving in that direction.


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To: Eric in the Ozarks
What's the difference between an Air Force 4 engine-qualified pilot and a Northwest Airlines 747 pilot?
About $150,000.

What day of the week is it? It very well could be the same guy.

41 posted on 01/17/2006 7:25:25 AM PST by Fixit (UAV pilots are cheaper than fighter jocks, but who'll fly my fat butt from Hartford to Duluth?)
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To: ko_kyi
Agreed, I believe the demise of the military pilot is greatly exaggerated.

I wonder why this rush to combat though. Wouldn't this kind of technology be great for cargo flights, troop transports, refueling etc? I guess it's too hot to waste on mundane applications at this time. Besides, the unions... toujours les unions.

42 posted on 01/17/2006 7:28:24 AM PST by Flavius Josephus (Ahmedi-nijad: Make Your Time.)
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To: untrained skeptic
In this case does unmanned mean totally autonomous or does it mean operated by remote, or at lease partially operated by remote?

I infer that the planes would have autonomy, but with remote human pilot overides. For instance, during it's trial run a couple years ago, The Global Hawk flew from the U.S. to Australia without any human intervention from the time it taxied to the tarmak to the time all wheels were on the ground and stopped.

43 posted on 01/17/2006 7:28:33 AM PST by Tree of Liberty (requiescat in pace, President Reagan)
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To: pabianice
Sad but inevitable. We are now training the last group of combat aircraft crews.

I doubt it, actually. The counterstrategy to an all-UAV force is to disrupt the comm links. Disrupt those, and you'd have air superiority. A manned combat air cabability is far less susceptible to that.

44 posted on 01/17/2006 7:29:29 AM PST by r9etb
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45 posted on 01/17/2006 7:30:30 AM PST by GretchenM (God made you. He will also take you out. Better to go on His terms -- through Jesus.)
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To: pabianice
We are now training the last group of combat aircraft crews.

And the future Ender's are practicing away as we speak on their X-boxes and Nintendo's.

46 posted on 01/17/2006 7:31:15 AM PST by numberonepal (Don't Even Think About Treading On Me)
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To: Fixit

I don't hold out much hope for NW Airlines.


47 posted on 01/17/2006 7:32:02 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: Professional Engineer
I wouldn't mind having my own A-10

I heard from a friend that there were plans to lease older, demilitarized, A-10's to private interests which would fight forest fires on behalf of the California Department of Forestry, but the idea was nixed because of all the red tape.

48 posted on 01/17/2006 7:32:53 AM PST by Tree of Liberty (requiescat in pace, President Reagan)
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To: pabianice
The Air Force will greet doing away with pilots with exactly as much enthusiasm as the Church would greet doing away with priests, and for exactly the same reason. I mean... how can it be an AirForce if it doesn't have pilots? < /sarcasm >
49 posted on 01/17/2006 7:44:47 AM PST by Grut
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To: untrained skeptic

I worked on A7E's and F/A18's and both had ACLS (automatic carrier landing system) that technology has been around for a while


50 posted on 01/17/2006 7:48:08 AM PST by jneesy (certified southern right wing hillbilly nutjob)
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To: pabianice
It's hard to believe they can do away with manned aircraft in all situations. The Army may still need pilots even when the other services don't.

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51 posted on 01/17/2006 7:49:39 AM PST by 68skylark
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To: Fielding
I agree. I retired 26 years ago and air to air missiles were turning at 22g's. Pilots are good for around 10g's. I would wag that todays AAMS turn in excess of 30g's. No contest.

And that 10g’s can’t be sustained for more than a few seconds. Additionally, at that g loading, a pilot is focusing much effort on staying conscience.

A UAV pilot could perform 20g turns while sipping a Jolt cola.

And another thing, our enemies (past, present and future) gain great propaganda value from captured / killed US pilots / aircrew. UAVs will put and end to that.
52 posted on 01/17/2006 7:50:03 AM PST by ElTianti
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To: 3dognight
We've already got millions of chubby kids in the training pipeline.

Yep, they're going to look pretty sharp with those big 'ol beer guts wedged into USAF flightsuits. 8^)

53 posted on 01/17/2006 7:51:03 AM PST by AngryJawa (NRA)
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To: pabianice
The one topic no one wants to touch at the moment is air-to-air. This appears to be the last job left for pilots of combat aircraft. The geeks believe they have this one licked, and are giving the pilot generals the, "bring it on" look

LOL. I remember testing NAVAID equipment located between two LAX runways in the 70's. The system electronically helped guide commercial aircraft into near perfect landings. Everytime a plane landed I would notice the touch down spot. From my vantage it didn't appear to vary by more than 10 ft.

I predicted to my fellow engineers that there will come a time when electronics (guidance & control systems) will obsolete the pilot.

The pilot essentialy becomes a robot.

54 posted on 01/17/2006 7:53:56 AM PST by Donald Rumsfeld Fan ("fake but accurate": NY Times)
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To: Professional Engineer

Grab a surplus Vark or two as well.


55 posted on 01/17/2006 7:56:09 AM PST by Darksheare (Tagline subverted for nefarious plans of nefariousness.)
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To: r9etb

"I doubt it, actually. The counterstrategy to an all-UAV force is to disrupt the comm links. Disrupt those, and you'd have air superiority. A manned combat air cabability is far less susceptible to that."

There are a few issues with this. There are actually two types of control, telepresence and autonomous. When telepresence fails, the vehicles go into autonomous mode. At a minimum, autonomous mode would be "return to base". In practice, for bombers, most missions could be fully autonomous, just as cruise missiles are now. The only time a lost link would result in auto return to base is if the mission is flagged as "must be recallable".

Air to air is a bit more complicated, but quite solvable. The software would need to be able to understand high-level tasks like CAP, SEAD, interdiction and so on. The other hurdle is IDing other aircraft, which is readily solvable through image processing, radar signature processing, black boxes and so on. A UAV could easily be programmed to "challenge" not-obviously-military aircraft, and only fire if it didn't turn away in a certain amount of time. If a link is available, telepresence could "coach" the UAV. Straight air-to-air combat is the easy part, given good sensors and radar. The plane could "learn" to be a top ace in seconds, the cockpit/oxygen/canopy/displays/ejection seat (and lots of other stuff) go away, meaning longer range and/or more payload. As others have pointed out, UAVs can out maneuver manned aircraft by a wide margin.

I expect the way it'll be used operationally is with manned aircraft in the vicinity to be "commanders". Comms might be accomplished securely with lasers, for instance.

In summary, the big wins are:

Autonomous fighters will eventually win the vast majority of engagements against manned aircraft.

Autonomous aircraft will outperform manned aircraft.

There are no training delays with autonomous aircraft.

Training costs are (much) lower with autonomous aircraft.

A shot down autonomous aircraft doesn't leave a grieving family behind, give intelligence to the enemy, or add to the "media body count".


56 posted on 01/17/2006 7:58:20 AM PST by PreciousLiberty
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To: pabianice

Didn't our intelligence community suffer because of a similar push to put all of our eggs into the gee-whiz technology basket?


57 posted on 01/17/2006 8:00:15 AM PST by Boris99
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To: ko_kyi

bump for the BUFF


59 posted on 01/17/2006 8:04:03 AM PST by Centurion2000 (Conservative, a liberal that was mugged. Liberal, a conservative that was arrested.)
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To: ericthecurdog

So the bayonet outlives the pilot.


60 posted on 01/17/2006 8:04:49 AM PST by ansel12
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