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Lawyer: Authorities were told student's gun was fake
CNN ^ | 1/14/06 | CNN

Posted on 01/15/2006 1:51:35 PM PST by wagglebee

LONGWOOD, Florida (CNN) -- The father and brother of a teenager shot at school Friday while brandishing a pellet gun told authorities before an officer opened fire that Christopher Penley's gun was not real, the family's attorney said Saturday.

The eighth-grader is clinically brain dead and being kept on life support to harvest his organs, attorney Mark Nation said.

When Ralph Penley arrived at the school Friday to help police and school officials defuse the situation, he wasn't allowed inside, Nation said.

Nation said Ralph Penley was "angry" because he had spoken to police before he arrived at the school and told them Christopher did not have a real gun. Christopher's younger brother told school officials the same thing, Nation said.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Extended News; News/Current Events; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: fakegun; schoolshooting
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To: ARealMothersSonForever
In my time the police were not called first.

Also in your time I would bet there were no 14-year-olds pulling stuff like this. Or adults for that matter. In the old days, people might have had guns, but they fought with fists. You didn't need the police as often.

261 posted on 01/15/2006 4:13:24 PM PST by Right Wing Assault ("..this administration is planning a 'Right Wing Assault' on values and ideals.." - John Kerry)
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To: Nevermore
but that is beside the point: it is a weapon.

Odd that bb guns, pellet guns, and even black powder weapons are not considered "deadly weapons". Even nervous ninnies have their moments. Register my bow and crossbow, nitwit.

262 posted on 01/15/2006 4:14:53 PM PST by ARealMothersSonForever
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To: Right Wing Assault
In the old days, people might have had guns, but they fought with fists.

In furtherance of the old days, usually the mobsters had guns and there was no mistaking a toy gun for a real one and they certainly were not carried to school.

263 posted on 01/15/2006 4:17:18 PM PST by NY Attitude (You are responsible for your safety until the arrival of Law Enforcement Officers!)
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To: Larry Lucido

;)


264 posted on 01/15/2006 4:17:31 PM PST by paulat
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To: Right Wing Assault

Same here. Any differences were settled right off the school ground limits. Dukes up and watch yer crotch!This was truie right up into my senior year of High School.No knives, no guns, and we grew up knowing how to take care of ourselves in a pinch!


265 posted on 01/15/2006 4:19:02 PM PST by Candor7 (Into Liberal Flatulence Goes the Hope of the West)
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To: Right Wing Assault
You didn't need the police as often.

I got shot with a piece of crap .25 in 1981. Keyholed across my hip. It hurt like hell. The Kern County Sheriff was called. They asked what I did to get shot. I was urinating in the restroom at the theater. Law enforcement shows up to write a report. We should never allow our schools to become armed camps. IMHO

266 posted on 01/15/2006 4:22:14 PM PST by ARealMothersSonForever
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To: ARealMothersSonForever
Was "your day" before 1996? I know mine was -- I graduated in 1980.

Before a 14 year old in Paducah killed three students and wounded five.

Before an 11 year old and a 13 year old killed four students, one teacher and wounded 10 other students in Jonesboro, Arkansas.

Before a teacher was killed and two students wounded by a 14 year old in Edinboro, PA.

Before a 15 year old killed 2 students and wounded 22 others in Springfield, Oregon.

Before Conyers, GA.

Before Columbine.

It's a different world, my friend.

267 posted on 01/15/2006 4:22:15 PM PST by Chanticleer (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. Lewis)
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To: ARealMothersSonForever
In my time the police were not called first

Assuming you're age is near my own, in our time, we never took guns to school. Yes, we guys did carry pocket knives, but they were never taken out for anything other than cleaning our fingernails or carving the name of this weeks love of our life on the desk.

I still ask, if the parents knew this boy was disturbed, why did they allow him to have a realistic looking pellet gun? If the brother knew something was up, why didn't he talk to him or involve the parents, before school?

Don't blame the Cops for acting properly to protect others.

268 posted on 01/15/2006 4:23:20 PM PST by DakotaRed
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To: DakotaRed

Is this the 15 year old in 8th grade?


269 posted on 01/15/2006 4:25:57 PM PST by NY Attitude (You are responsible for your safety until the arrival of Law Enforcement Officers!)
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To: Chanticleer

One more reason to keep our kids out of the public schools...


270 posted on 01/15/2006 4:26:31 PM PST by EternalVigilance
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To: Chanticleer
It's a different world, my friend.

I do know. We have three wonderful children. Teenagers all. I have been shot, bitten, stabbed, and lost my 4 front teeth to a steel pipe. I no longer go to those places, nor associate with those people. And we try to teach our children well.

271 posted on 01/15/2006 4:27:29 PM PST by ARealMothersSonForever
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To: Larry Lucido
lol...

BTTT!!

272 posted on 01/15/2006 4:32:06 PM PST by sit-rep (If you acquire, hit it again to verify...)
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To: wagglebee
Ralph Penley was "angry" because he had spoken to police before he arrived at the school and told them Christopher did not have a real gun. Christopher's younger brother told school officials the same thing, Nation said.

No cop in his right mind is going to have that "toy gun" pointed at him and believe it was "only a toy". This is a tragic event but not evidence of police negligence based upon people saying "he doesn't have a real gun, only a toy"! I sure wouldn't bet my life or anyone elses's on hoping it was only a toy!

Too bad they didn't try a Taser first... But, face it, if they had tazed the kid they would have been criticised as well (but he would at least be alive),

273 posted on 01/15/2006 4:34:28 PM PST by ExSES (the "bottom-line")
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To: Supernatural

Instead, someone substituited real bullets for the blanks.



wrong...the blanks killed him


274 posted on 01/15/2006 4:37:53 PM PST by kajingawd (" happy with stone underhead, let Heaven and Earth go about their changes")
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To: NY Attitude

Yes, the one who pointed a realistic pellet gun at Police and was shot and died.


275 posted on 01/15/2006 4:40:28 PM PST by DakotaRed
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To: kajingawd

Actually, a fragment of a dummy bullet lodged in the barrel and projected by a blank killed Brandon Lee. I was wrong, using info from old reports. New info has since come out.


276 posted on 01/15/2006 4:40:49 PM PST by Supernatural (All the truth in the world adds up to one big lie! bob dylan)
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To: kajingawd; Supernatural
wrong...the blanks killed him (Brandon Lee)

That is correct. There was, apparently, some debris in the barrel.

277 posted on 01/15/2006 4:42:17 PM PST by facedown (Armed in the Heartland)
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To: DakotaRed

The next question is: How many 15 year olds are in 8th grade?


278 posted on 01/15/2006 4:43:58 PM PST by NY Attitude (You are responsible for your safety until the arrival of Law Enforcement Officers!)
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To: NY Attitude

He was held back one year.


279 posted on 01/15/2006 4:44:28 PM PST by Chanticleer (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. Lewis)
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To: wagglebee
It was a real pellet gun. I have a box of rabbit pelts and memories of many fine meals taken with such a pellet gun. It was quite real to the ex-rabbits. I had to be fairly stealthy in those days. Once I got a .22LR bolt action rifle, it was a bunch easier.
280 posted on 01/15/2006 4:44:37 PM PST by Myrddin
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