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Posted on 01/08/2006 6:21:52 AM PST by Wooley

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To: eabinga
In order to be in the military in the first place, you need permanent resident status (green card).

No.

21 posted on 01/08/2006 7:10:54 AM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: eabinga

Could be.


22 posted on 01/08/2006 7:11:47 AM PST by Mrs.Nooseman
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To: napscoordinator

This is interesting. Do you really have something like the French or Spain "Légion étrangère" in the US consisting of soldiers that are no citizens of the US? Never heared of that.


23 posted on 01/08/2006 7:12:14 AM PST by Atlantic Bridge (O tempora! O mores!)
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To: Atlantic Bridge

No, but please see my link in comment #16.


24 posted on 01/08/2006 7:13:57 AM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy
I'm going to write more about myself on the site as suggested. You DO need to be a legal permanent resident to enlist, http://www.goarmy.com/about/enlisted_soldier.jsp
25 posted on 01/08/2006 7:16:44 AM PST by Wooley
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To: 1rudeboy

You are confusing permanent resident status with citizenship.


26 posted on 01/08/2006 7:18:07 AM PST by eabinga
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To: Wooley; eabinga
Again, no. Please refer to the Immigration and Naturalization Act, Sec. 329, [8 U.S.C. 1440]. Please also stop disseminating false information, as there might be people who find your comments on the Web and choose not to enlist.
27 posted on 01/08/2006 7:22:07 AM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: Mrs.Nooseman
Why don't you apply for the green card at your local American Consulate/Embassy?

Well, there are three ways to obtain a green card.

1. The immediate relatives of an American citizen (a spouse, child, parent or sibling) may apply for a green card. The spouse or minor child of a U.S. citizen is subject is ordinarily immediately eligible for a visa upon application. Other family members will have to wait for a visa to become available, which may take several years.

2. Foreign individuals who have found employment in the United States, and whose employers are willing to sponsor them, are eligible for green cards. Foreign workers with more education and special job skills may enjoy relatively prompt review of their applications, while those lacking skills considered to be in short supply may be in for a long wait. (Btw. The military will NOT sponsor you or help you in any way)

3. The "Green Card Lottery" – Every year there is a diversity visa (DV) green card lottery, through which individuals from certain areas of the world may qualify for a green card. Qualified applicants complete a simple application form, and, if picked, will be issued a green card. The chances of obtaining a green card in this manner are small.

I believe the "Green Card Lottery" has been discontinued. It is actually called the "Diversity Visa Programm" and is a PC way of getting visas to citizens low immigration countries.

For example: Only 115 Swedes got a visa this way, but 7,404 from Bangladesh did. Source

28 posted on 01/08/2006 7:31:19 AM PST by eabinga
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To: 1rudeboy
Read what you post first. Immigration and Naturalization Act, Sec. 329

NATURALIZATION THROUGH ACTIVE-DUTY SERVICE IN THE ARMED FORCES DURING WORLD WAR I, WORLD WAR II, THE KOREAN HOSTILITIES, THE VIETNAM HOSTILITIES, OR IN OTHER PERIODS OF MILITARY HOSTILITIES

Wooley is not talking about naturalization, he is talking about immigration.

29 posted on 01/08/2006 7:35:23 AM PST by eabinga
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To: 1rudeboy
Please refer to the Immigration and Naturalization Act, Sec. 329, [8 U.S.C. 1440].

That describes expedited citizenship for those who have served honorably. It does not describe the criteria for entering the armed services.

30 posted on 01/08/2006 7:35:57 AM PST by Cboldt
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To: 1rudeboy
Please also stop disseminating false information, as there might be people who find your comments on the Web and choose not to enlist.

Citing the US Army web site is disseminating false information? LOL!

31 posted on 01/08/2006 7:37:38 AM PST by Cboldt
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

You're either a lurker/troll or just ignorant.



He maybe both but again he maybe correct that he needs Permanent Resident Alien status to join the military as he linked to about the army qualifications...

He needs to follow the immigrant process which allows immigrants under three conditions;
Family sponsored
Employement sponsored
Refugee

Apparently he's trying to get the congress to exempt him from this requirement via a bill. Looks like maybe the Army could petition for him if they think he's qualified and acceptable to join.


http://64.233.187.104/search?q=cache:ZaqYaxcAbFoJ:immigration-dictionary.visapro.com/P1.asp+us+legal+permanent+resident+alien&hl=en


32 posted on 01/08/2006 7:39:03 AM PST by deport (Happy and Prosperous 2006 to all.........)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

Actually, a non citixen can only join the military after they have a green card. If they don't, they need to be sponsored by the military for an H1B work visa. Trying to join the military, if you are not an American, is just like thying to get work if you are not American. After 9/11, I also investigated this because I am here on a work visa and am in the process of getting a green card. In order for the military to sponsor a foreigner for service, they would have to prove there are no Americans available for the position, just like any other employer.


33 posted on 01/08/2006 7:49:20 AM PST by doc30 (Democrats are to morals what and Etch-A-Sketch is to Art.)
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To: 1rudeboy

If you don't have LPR, you can't join. THis guy sounds like he has trouble being in the U.S. through regular channels. There is a provision in immigration law for Congress to grant LPR for an individual by passing a special bill for it.


34 posted on 01/08/2006 7:51:13 AM PST by doc30 (Democrats are to morals what and Etch-A-Sketch is to Art.)
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To: Mrs.Nooseman
If he knew anything about the US and the Laws here, he would know to go to the Consulate/Embassy to obtain a Green card application.

It's not that simple. To apply, he must be sponsored by either an employer of family member. You just can't go to an embassy and say "I want to immigrate to the U.S." and they let you in. Someone has to bring you here, unless you come in a a refugee or asyluim seeker.

35 posted on 01/08/2006 7:53:52 AM PST by doc30 (Democrats are to morals what and Etch-A-Sketch is to Art.)
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To: eabinga; Cboldt; doc30
This is beginning to get tiresome. Has Wooley thought of picking up and actually asking a recruiter face-to-face?

Any person who, while an alien or a noncitizen national of the United States . . . , during any [] period which the President by Executive order shall designate as a period in which Armed Forces of the United States are or were engaged in military operations involving armed conflict with a hostile foreign force, and who, if separated from such service, was separated under honorable conditions, may be naturalized as provided in this section if . . . at any time subsequent to enlistment or induction such person shall have been lawfully admitted to the United States for permanent residence.
Sec. 329. [8 U.S.C. 1440].

By the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution and the laws of the United States of America, including section 329 of the Immigration and Nationality Act (8 U.S.C. 1440) (the "Act"), and solely in order to provide expedited naturalization for aliens and noncitizen nationals serving in an active-duty status in the Armed Forces of the United States during the period of the war against terrorists of global reach, it is hereby ordered as follows:

For the purpose of determining qualification for the exception from the usual requirements for naturalization, I designate as a period in which the Armed Forces of the United States were engaged in armed conflict with a hostile foreign force the period beginning on September 11, 2001. Such period will be deemed to terminate on a date designated by future Executive Order. Those persons serving honorably in active-duty status in the Armed Forces of the United States, during the period beginning on September 11, 2001, and terminating on the date to be so designated, are eligible for naturalization in accordance with the statutory exception to the naturalization requirements, as provided in section 329 of the Act. Nothing contained in this order is intended to affect, nor does it affect, any other power, right, or obligation of the United States, its agencies, officers, employees, or any other person under Federal law or the law of nations.
Executive Order 13269, July 3, 2002 (.pdf file).


36 posted on 01/08/2006 7:57:42 AM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: Technical Editor
But who are you?

I wonder where Wooley went?

37 posted on 01/08/2006 8:01:28 AM PST by Recovering Hermit (Guess what? I got a fever! And the only prescription...is more cowbell!)
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To: Recovering Hermit

I'm here.


38 posted on 01/08/2006 8:07:38 AM PST by Wooley
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To: 1rudeboy

This is referring to naturalization - the process of becoming a citizen after you have a green card. You still need a green card to join the military. I've personally investigate this because I am in the immigration process to the U.S. ANy immigration lawyer will tell you the same.


39 posted on 01/08/2006 8:07:39 AM PST by doc30 (Democrats are to morals what and Etch-A-Sketch is to Art.)
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To: Cboldt

One more thing . . . I'm glad you had a good laugh. Please bear in mind, however, that I am citing to the law (which you appear to find less persuasive than something found on the Army website).


40 posted on 01/08/2006 8:08:07 AM PST by 1rudeboy
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