Posted on 01/03/2006 9:34:40 AM PST by Esther Ruth
That citation should be Matthew 16: 17-19
The jerusalem Church led by Jesus's brother James preceded the RCC
You are correct...He is not on the cross...He is risen...He can not be sacrificed again...
And although He has everything under His control, on can not help but want to side with His chosen in protecting their land that He gave them...We of the adoption do not want to usurp the physical inheritance...As we know, our Jerusalem will be in heaven...
Right - so every religion in the world can go to the old Temple site execpt the Jews who owned it in the first place ....
"The Roman Catholic Church was established on earth by Jesus Christ and that's that."
Not exactly. Jesus established the first Christian 'church' (faith) but not until 313 AD, when Emperor Constantine embraced Christianity did any early Christian faith become "Roman".
LOL! The One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic Church was founded in Jerusalem by the Apostles, who received the Holy Ghost. The Twelve went throughout the known world at that time. Peter went to Rome, to minister to the Christians who were already there. All of the churches founded by the Apostles are part of the same Church. The term "Roman Catholic" isn't the Church's official name.
See my #47.
That's really stretching it...
Sorry, but it does matter. There is a tendency to turn Jesus into a "spirit," forgetting that he is a man, and moreover a Jew of a particular time and place. HERE he entered history and he has never left.
That's a typical Protestant cop-out.
And it goes back to the heresy that Luther proposed. Here's a question, if the Catholic Church is not the original church, then why is it that the first Pope is Peter, and why is it that after him we have this amazing continous line of popes up until the present time.
That's too literal. All Catholic bishops (the Pope being the highest ranked) received this laying on of hands when they became bishops. Three different bishops lay their hands on the new bishop, show apostolic sucession is ensured.
Jesus did not have a brother. It is true there are some references to "brothers" in the Bible, but what is meant by that is that these were Jesus's cousins, something lost in the English translation. It was not possible for Jesus to have brothers because Mary remained forever virgin.
I repectfully disagree, to a degree...I've been in many small independant churches that will not fold...Of course they have no ties to any Church Councils, Ecumenical movements or the 'Church'...They will (and do) meet and worship in houses if they have to...
Which is a view held not just by Catholics but by most Eastern Orthodox.
I sympathizes with the Catholic Church - this is a very difficult issue. The numbers of Christians in the PA area continues to dwindle. Maintaining the holy sites depends increasingly on the goodwill of local muslims. The Church wants to find a way to keep Muslims from persecuting the ever-smaller numbers of Christians. In the end, I'm afraid the holy sites will be nothing more than museums.
A very long post from you :)
BTW, "Catholic" means "Universal" and was the name chosen for the official Church of the Universal Empire of Rome. It is just the name, not the substance.
And there is a clear sucession from the Cross at the Golgota, the martyrs of the reigns of Nero, Decius, Diocletian/Galerius, the Church established by the councils in the fourth century
"That's a typical Protestant cop-out. "
As a batpized, confirmed Catholic, I'm highly amused by that.
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And it goes back to the heresy that Luther proposed. Here's a question, if the Catholic Church is not the original church, then why is it that the first Pope is Peter, and why is it that after him we have this amazing continous line of popes up until the present time."
I did NOT say that Catholicism isn't the 'original' church. I said that "Roman Catholicism" isn't the original church, simply because, until 313 AD, the Romans were KILLING CHRISTIANS. eaten by Lions, Tigers, and Bears, oh my. Not until Constantine's conversion could the church possibly be considered "Roman", as to be anything other than a idol-worshipping/emperor-worshipping Roman citizen was punishable by death.
The original Christian church was Catholic. It just wasn't ROMAN Catholic. Read this last sentence slowly.
Acts 1:23 So they put forward two men, Joseph called Barsabbas (who was also called Justus), and Matthias.
24And they prayed and said, "You, Lord, who know the hearts of all men, show which one of these two You have chosen
25to occupy this ministry and apostleship from which Judas turned aside to go to his own place."
26And they drew lots for them, and the lot fell to Matthias; and he was added to the eleven apostles.
This all sounds strangely familiar...
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