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World Terrorism : Weapons of Disruption Onging...
http://www.fredcowie.com/presentations/index.htm ^ | Jan.1, 2006 | Frederick J. Cowie, Ph.D.

Posted on 01/01/2006 6:41:58 PM PST by DAVEY CROCKETT

Weapons of Disruption

C 2006 Frederick J. Cowie, Ph.D.

Whereas we have no masses, it certainly would be seriously challenging to deliver a "weapon of mass destruction" in the vast majority of geographical areas in the American West, as well as in many areas in the East and South. For instance, Montana is approximately the size of Germany, yet the population hovers only around a million (we have one representative in the House). There is no "metropolitan" area anywhere around, though Spokane is about three hundred miles away. Wyoming has more sheep than people. Utah has Salt Lake City and a few nearby populous areas. Nevada has two populated regional areas, Las Vegas and Reno. North and South Dakota have, well, a few folks here and there. Idaho folks are few and far between. I swear you can drive from San Antonio to El Paso without seeing a city policeman, because I've done it several times. Then there are Arizona, New Mexico, eastern California, inter alia. The point is we have a few population points, while the rest of the states are empty excepted for isolated small communities.Thus, out West we probably need to talk more about "weapons of disruption." (Some folks say "weapons of mass disruption," but we have no masses!)

You must ask yourself: What would I do if I were a terrorist (or a terrorism preparedness instructor) looking into the ramifications of launching a rural terrorism attack? Personally, I would concentrate on considering the consequences of disruption rather than mass destruction. Here are a few scenarios you might want consider when your local rural emergency management/response group gathers to discuss terrorism exercises.

1) Wildland Fire Incidents: Incendiary (mostly wildland) warfare has been used by military strategists for at least 2500 years, over a thousand years before the use of gunpowder. The western U.S. is disrupted, seriously disrupted, every year by wildland fires. Quite a few are started by humans, accidentally and purposefully. Starting dozens of major fires in a dozen western states could be a brilliant line of attack if militants wished to disrupt America. Thousands of security personnel could do nothing and the perpetrator/s would probably never be implicated, much less captured. Are you prepared?

2) Railroad Chemical Incidents: Many railroad main lines go through tunnels. A few strategically placed armor-piercing shells in a series of chlorine cars, along with appropriately staged derailments leaving the leaking cars in the tunnels, could shut down many main line routes in the West. Spin-off scenarios are numerous. Ready?

3) Flammable Liquid Incidents: Bridges are not easily brought down from below and approaches to bridge support structures are often highly visible and randomly monitored. However, on CNN we all have seen many tanker truck accidents involving burning hydrocarbons which have made bridge structures unusable. How hard would it be to have a few terrorists steal trucks and drive them (as opposed to hijacking planes and flying them) to strategic bridges over wide rivers or narrow gorges, ignite the gasoline (or diesel or crude), block the approaches with other incendiary or chemical releases, and make the structures extremely dangerous and impassible to highway traffic? Gotcha!

There are many variations of these themes. You probably have or can make up many more plausible, novel, and easily implemented rural-specific attack scenarios. Design exercises around them. If you want to stop terrorist events you must think like a terrorist and quit fighting last year's war!

Peace, thanks, Fred

Please check out my website at fredcowie.com

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Frederick J. (Fred) Cowie, Ph.D. E-mail: fredcowie@aol.com Phone: (24 hr cell) 406-431-3531 Website: fredcowie.com


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To: nw_arizona_granny; All

Is this a bad joke?



Bush's Iran Plan Echoes Kerry, Baffles Friends
BY JOSH GERSTEIN - Staff Reporter of the Sun
January 27, 2006
URL: http://www.nysun.com/article/26606

President Bush's endorsement of a plan to end the nuclear standoff with Iran by giving the Islamic republic nuclear fuel for civilian use under close monitoring has left some of his supporters baffled.

One cause for the chagrin is that the proposal, which is backed by Russia, essentially adopts a strategy advocated by Mr. Bush's Democratic opponent in the 2004 election, Senator Kerry of Massachusetts.

"I have made it clear that I believe that the Iranians should have a civilian nuclear power program under these conditions: that the material used to power the plant would be manufactured in Russia, delivered under IAEA inspectors to Iran to be used in that plant, the waste of which will be picked up by the Russians and returned to Russia," Mr. Bush said at a news conference yesterday. "I think that is a good plan. The Russians came up with the idea and I support it," he added.

In an interview published in the Wall Street Journal yesterday, Mr. Bush also said he proposed the idea to offer nuclear fuel to Iran and agreed with Moscow on the subject.

During the election campaign, Mr. Kerry urged that the international community offer Iran nuclear fuel in attempt to test whether Iran was serious about pursuing a peaceful nuclear energy program or intent on manipulating such a program to produce plutonium for weapons. "We should call their bluff and organize a group of states that will offer the nuclear fuel they need for peaceful purposes and take back the spent fuel so they can't divert it to build a weapon," Mr. Kerry said during a June 2004 speech in Florida.

At a debate in September, Mr. Kerry faulted Mr. Bush for not agreeing to engage the Iranians with such an offer. "I think the United States should have offered the opportunity to provide the nuclear fuel, test them, see whether or not they were actually looking for it for peaceful purposes. If they weren't willing to work a deal, then we could have put sanctions together," Mr. Kerry said. "The president did nothing."

Neither Mr. Bush nor his aides directly addressed Mr. Kerry's proposal at the time, perhaps because European countries were pursuing a similar tack. A Bush campaign spokesman told the Reuters news agency that Mr. Kerry was aping Mr. Bush's nonproliferation policies.

However, Secretary of State Rice, who was national security adviser at the time, dismissed efforts to cut a deal with the Iranians. "This regime has to be isolated in its bad behavior, not quote-unquote 'engaged,'" she said in an August 2004 interview with Fox News.

The administration's reticence about Mr. Kerry's plan was not shared by Republican commentators, who accused the senator of favoring "appeasement" and warned that the Iranians could divert nuclear fuel to make bombs.

A Pentagon official under President Reagan, Frank Gaffney Jr., skewered the plan in a column entitled, "Kerry's Nuclear Nonsense." Mr. Gaffney, who did not return a call seeking comment for this story, declared, "Mr. Bush understands the folly of going that route."

Writing in National Review, a Defense Department official under President George H.W. Bush, Jed Babbin, called Mr. Kerry's proposal "ignorant" and "dangerously wrong."

One analyst who faulted the Kerry plan in 2004 said he was disillusioned by Mr. Bush's endorsement of the Russian initiative. "This seems to me to be a giant step backwards in terms of clarity," the vice president for policy at the American Foreign Policy Council, Ilan Berman, said. "It's always disheartening when those of us who bashed his political opponent realize this is going to be the case," said Mr. Berman, who warned in 2004 of "devastating consequences" if Mr. Kerry's plan was adopted.

At the White House, a spokesman for the National Security Council, Frederick Jones II, said that American support for the Russian initiative on Iran was first articulated in November at an Asia-Pacific Economic Cooperation summit in Korea.

During a press briefing at the meeting, Mr. Bush's national security adviser, Stephen Hadley, called the Russian role "very constructive" and their proposal on nuclear fuel "an interesting idea," but he did not embrace it as openly as Mr. Bush did yesterday.

Mr. Jones said Mr. Bush's recent statements were not a major shift in policy. "The U.S. position has always been to support negotiations to obtain an objective guarantee that Iran's nuclear programs are solely for a peaceful purpose," Mr. Jones said.

Mr. Kerry's office did not respond to a message seeking comment for this story. However, a top foreign policy aide on the senator's presidential campaign, Rand Beers, said he was pleased by Mr. Bush's statements, but disappointed in how long it took the administration to warm to the concept. "They are coming around to it as sort of a late-in-the-game, last-gasp kind of idea," Mr. Beers told The New York Sun. "While it's a Pyrrhic success, the president has taken a lot of our ideas."

Mr. Beers said Mr. Bush may have been unwilling to endorse the nuclear-fuel-to-Iran deal during the campaign for fear of alienating Jewish supporters. "Some could say that the political ploy was also to make sure they didn't get on the wrong side of the American Jewish vote insomuch as they were focused on not doing anything to benefit Iran," Mr. Beers said.

Mr. Beers, who served as a national security aide to Mr. Bush before quitting for the Kerry campaign in 2003, said the fuel offer is risky but "may be the only option that has any chance at this point in time." If Iran rejects it, the rejection could help win Russian support for international action, the national security veteran noted.

Another analyst questioned Mr. Bush's willingness to join forces with Russia in such a high-stakes proposal. "It's rather trusting of the Russians, who don't exactly have a great record of late of keeping their promises on anything," a speechwriter and foreign policy adviser under President Clinton, Robert Boorstin, said. He suggested the administration's new flexibility on the issue was prompted by the recent transition of a prominent foreign policy hawk, John Bolton, from the State Department to the post of American ambassador to the United Nations. "It's probably one of the most glaring areas where I see a difference between a pre- and post-Bolton State Department," Mr. Boorstin said.

http://www.nysun.com/pf.php?id=26606


1,641 posted on 01/28/2006 9:41:04 AM PST by Founding Father (The War Against Western Civilization Has Begun)
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To: DAVEY CROCKETT

Davey, look to the different greens for growing indoors, you won't get that far with carrots.

Radish are easy.

Squash and Cucumbers can be done, but it is a pain in the neck to see that their sex life if full of joy.

There are special hybrids that do not require as much pollen as the common ones.

We went to the oriental greens, as they have grown in many
small plots and pots for 100's of years.

Here we have wind and sun/heat and nothing in the soil, which is either sand or clay and almost dead.

You can use potting mix, as I posted earlier, I found the
walmart, "Sam's Professional Potting Mix" to be the best that I had used.

The regular Sam's brand works fine and is cheaper than the name brands, such as Black Magic.

I have never used the grow lights, so am not a lot of help,
but once you understand how the bulbs work, you can use the common shop light holders and the right bulb, I have forgotten what it is, but have read that you do not need the super expensive "grow" bulbs.

Re arrange the furniture and grow in front of the windows that are sunny and in hanging pots, in front of the window.

You can grow quite a bit in a bay window.

The perfect soulution, is a lean to greenhouse and that can
be very simple or as fancy as you want.

About 6 years ago, I decided to have the biggest garden
ever, sat by the wood stove and put some of these and those
in coffee cups, that room has a flagstone floor, so it didn't matter if I made a mess, had a real factory going,
fill the coffee cup, (save all you can from meetings or they are 2 cents or so each, new.)

fill them 2/3rd/s, choose seed, write on cup, type, then put in the seeds and cover, press down and set in a pan of
water, to water from the bottom, once the top is wet, cover with plastic, clear type and set in the window.

save the clear plastic from packages of toilet paper, candy
and whereever you find it, or of course buy it, a painters
drop cloth, Walmart sells one about 20' x20' in a roll
for $4.00, you can cut it to fit a tray.

You will need to stick a stick in a pot or two, to keep the
plastic tent up off the seedlings.

IN the morning, when you see drops of water on the plastic,
take it off till they dry, do not allow the drops to fall
on the seedlings.

I got carried away, as I do love planting seeds, to me it
is the finished plant that I am starting, not a mere seed.

Seeds have always amazed me, so much value in something no bigger than a fly speck.

I wound up with either 732 or 832 pots of seeds, so i finally took the front porch, strung baling wire across it, to the railing, put a couple legs in the middle and moved
my seeds out there on the porch and used the back door for a couple months.........it worked , very nicely.

Of course, I had to crawl into my mini greenhouse.

You can take a window that opens into the house, go out and cut off long tree branches and lean against the house and use the painter drop cloth to make a lean to half of an A shaped.

A child swing set, the A frame ones we used to have, will
make a neat starter house, for about a $10.00 investment,
for the plastic, your staple the 2 sheets together, Roll the
two pieces of plastic on one side, over a thin strip of cardboard, like cut from a cereal box, then staple and it
won't tear the plastic as the wind moves it.

Drop it over the swing set and use clothes pins to hold the ends together.

Learn which weeds are natural and which can be eaten.

I buy purslane, pigsweed (have it gone wild at last) mustard and amaranth seeds, all weeds all good and good for you.

You will have even more to eat there, here we only have foxtails and a little mustard.

Grow as many different greens as you can, so you can have a leaf or two of each.

Watch for a small bean called "yard Long Bean" or Aspargus
Bean, it is from the orient and is the only one that i have been able to grow, makes a lovely vine and might grow in the house, if you grow them, pinch the bean off the flower
stem and the flower stem will keep producing more beans.

They grow in clusters and the instinct is to pull the whole
cluster off, but take time, one pod at a time.

Sex and tomatoes.

Tomatoes will polinize them selves, but you will need to help, you can reach in and shake the stem, pretty firmly.

Or I once got a big fancy commercial greenhouse book at the library and it showed a worker, with what they call the
personal battery operated viberator, holding it against the
tomato stems.........it struck me as funny, due to the fact
that I had just learned what the "personal" viberators were.

I once toyed with the idea of a porn book for vegetables.

The polinization of them, so they will produce seeds, is an amazing science that God invented.

There is one orchid that only sets seeds after being raped, by a big bumble bee, the lip has a splotch on it that looks like the female bumble bee.

Darwin found an orchid in the jungle, that on the lip, there is a tube, 14 inches long, with the nectar in the bottom of the tube, he predicted and they did find a moth
with a tongue that was long enough to drink the nectar.

Corn does not grow here, it is too dry and windy, so the pollen off the tassels, never reach the corn silk. But just in case, I plant it and train beans on the corn plants.

http://www.google.com/search?client=googlet&q=vegetable%20companion%20plants

Vegetables will get lonely, so plant companions for them.

Radishes every place, not just in neat rows.

The people will tell you that you need fresh onion seeds every year, but i have had good luck with 10 year old seeds.

seeds keep well and yes, some will not make it, but many people do not realize that veg seeds are hard to get in the war time.

There are no men to work the fields and grow them and you can't get them from another country, bullets and shoes are more important.

Do you know that the passion flower has varieties that are edible?

Over the years, I have narrowed down my nurseries to buy seeds from to Pinetree and Nichols, I bought the packags of mixed and did fine with them, mixed lettuce, etc.

You are in luck, I found the addresses for them.

Pinetree Garden seeds
Box 300
New Glouchester, ME 04260

Phone: 207-926-3400

I could only find a 1998 issue, so don't have a computer address. You will want the paper catalog anyway.

http://www.nicholsgardennursery.com

Those are my main suppliers, or were when I grew a garden, both I have used close to 40 years or longer.

You will want to read the catalog for:

http://www.southernexposure.com

They are a good company, but most of their stuff can be bought at the above 2, cheaper.


1,642 posted on 01/28/2006 10:22:47 AM PST by nw_arizona_granny (The past cannot be changed, the future is what ever you want it to be. The choice is yours!)
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To: StillProud2BeFree; nw_arizona_granny

I like the decorating part. :-)

Congratulations on the new house!



Granny, I just got back from Walmart, they had their Christmas plastic storage containers [the small ones] on sale for $2.00. Perfect since they are green to put holes in the bottom and use for my porch garden. Safe from the deer hopefully. Much cheaper than the garden section pots that would be $10+ for the same size. I bought mostly herbs and tomatoes to start with.


1,643 posted on 01/28/2006 10:36:20 AM PST by WestCoastGal (-Flank2 - Wake up guys!! Jack is back!)
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To: nw_arizona_granny
Squash and Cucumbers can be done, but it is a pain in the neck to see that their sex life if full of joy.


I have always done real well with house plants. When my boys were little they used to call it the jungle. I can do the grow lights.

Two summers ago I put 3 tomatoes on the back deck and all I got were some great vines, they were beautiful but no tomatoes, was it there sex life?

I blamed it on no direct sunlight!
1,644 posted on 01/28/2006 11:21:33 AM PST by DAVEY CROCKETT (I can't stay on topic!)
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To: Founding Father; nw_arizona_granny
President Bush's endorsement of a plan to end the nuclear standoff with Iran by giving the Islamic republic nuclear fuel for civilian use under close monitoring has left some of his supporters baffled.

Just my opinion and you know what they say about that.

I started to say this last week, let them have there nukes. It can't be any worst then NK. If NK and Iran are so nuts as to use a nuke, they will do it anyway.

As matter of fact whenever you fly on a plan let people carry there guns. The common belief that shooting a gun on an airplane will blow it up is just a myth. Bet the kiddies will sit still then.

Homeowners should be required to own a gun.
Check out Kennesaw,GA..

Why Doesn't The Media Visit Kennesaw?
By Chuck Baldwin





Kennesaw, GA's
Mandatory Gun Law
A Proven Success

11-6-99

The New American magazine reminds us that March 25th marked the 16th anniversary of Kennesaw, Georgia's ordinance requiring heads of households (with certain exceptions) to keep at least one firearm in their homes.

The city's population grew from around 5,000 in 1980 to 13,000 by 1996 (latest available estimate). Yet there have been only three murders: two with knives (1984 and 1987) and one with a firearm (1997).

"After the law went into effect in 1982, crime against persons plummeted 74 percent compared to 1981, and fell another 45 percent in 1983 compared to 1982. And it has stayed impressively low. In addition to nearly non-existent homicide (murders have averaged a mere 0.19 per year), the annual number of armed robberies, residential burglaries, commercial burglaries, and rapes have averaged, respectively, 1.69, 31.63, 19.75, and 2.00 through 1998."

With all the attention that has been heaped upon the lawful possession of firearms lately, you would think that a city that requires gun ownership would be the center of a media feeding frenzy. It isn't. The fact is I can't remember a major media outlet even mentioning Kennesaw. Can you? The reason is obvious. Kennesaw proves that the presence of firearms actually improves safety and security. This is not the message that the media want us to hear. They want us to believe that guns are evil and are the cause of violence. The facts tell a different story.

What is even more interesting about Kennesaw is that the city's crime rate decreased with the simple knowledge that the entire community was armed.

The bad guys didn't force the residents to prove it. Just knowing that residents were armed prompted them to move on to easier targets. Most criminals don't have a death wish. There have been two occasions in my own family when the presence of a handgun averted potential disaster. In both instances the gun was never aimed at a person and no shot was fired. Yet, in both cases the thugs bent on criminal mischief decided to take their ambitions elsewhere and my family remained safe. Only God knows what would have happened if a firearm had not been handy.

Yes, there are times when gun accidents occur. There are many more accidents involving automobiles, airplanes, bathroom shower stalls and backyard swimming pools, however. And let's not forget that freedom is risky business. Freedom allows people to make mistakes recognizing that the alternative is worse.

A local newspaper columnist recently said that other nations are free without possessing firearms. He fails to see the obvious fact that people who are not free to own firearms are not free. Many people live their entire lives and never know a day of real freedom. And, while I'm sure that there are those who would choose to live without freedom, there are some of us who would rather die free than live enslaved.

http://www.mcsm.org/kennesaw.html
1,645 posted on 01/28/2006 11:46:51 AM PST by DAVEY CROCKETT (I can't stay on topic!)
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To: Founding Father; nw_arizona_granny; MamaDearest; WestCoastGal; Rushmore Rocks; Velveeta

Posted on Sat, Jan. 28, 2006
Two bombs found at Arlington hotelBy MITCH MITCHELLSTAR-TELEGRAM STAFF WRITERARLINGTON - A bomb-squad robot disabled two explosive devices found in a south Arlington hotel room Friday.
The devices were 15 inches long and connected by 10 to 12 feet of wire, said S. Vasquez, an investigator with the Fort Worth Fire Department's bomb squad.
"These bombs had the potential to do a lot of damage," Vasquez said. "They were large, full of black powder and ammunition."
Workers at the InTown Suites, 1727 Oak Village Blvd., called 911 about 6 p.m. when they found the devices while cleaning the room of a man who was taken to a hospital about two weeks ago and later died, Arlington fire Capt. Tommy Gray said.
No information about the man was available Friday night.
The devices and ammunition were in a duffel bag in the first-floor room, Vasquez said. The robot separated the devices and disabled them by about 10:30 p.m., he said.
The bomb squad also disabled a package that was seen in the parking lot about 9:30 p.m., he said.
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1,646 posted on 01/28/2006 12:00:09 PM PST by DAVEY CROCKETT (I can't stay on topic!)
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To: DAVEY CROCKETT

It would be interesting to know what he died from.


1,647 posted on 01/28/2006 12:04:06 PM PST by Rushmore Rocks
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To: Rushmore Rocks; DAVEY CROCKETT
"Workers at the InTown Suites, 1727 Oak Village Blvd., called 911 about 6 p.m. when they found the devices while cleaning the room of a man who was taken to a hospital about two weeks ago and later died, Arlington fire Capt. Tommy Gray said."

It took them two weeks to clean the room? I guess business is slow and they didn't need it.

Yes I also wonder what he died from.

1,648 posted on 01/28/2006 12:08:29 PM PST by WestCoastGal (-Flank2 - Wake up guys!! Jack is back!)
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To: Rushmore Rocks

Yes it will.


1,649 posted on 01/28/2006 12:15:06 PM PST by DAVEY CROCKETT (I can't stay on topic!)
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To: nw_arizona_granny

U.S. diplomat working at the U.S. Embassy in Venezuela charged with espionage fled the country::Venezuelan newspaper Diario-VEA
Media Release
Jan. 27, 2006






A U.S. diplomat working at the U.S. Embassy in Venezuela has fled the country following allegations that he bribed several low-ranking Venezuelan naval officers into passing on top-secret information to the United States. Venezuelan newspaper Diario-VEA reported Jan. 27 that John Correa, the U.S. naval attaché in Caracas, had facilitated the escape of several of the officers involved to Miami, before leaving himself. Correa, who is believed to have been working for U.S. intelligence services, had collected information concerning the operating capacity of Venezuelan naval units and weaponry.




http://www.indiadaily.com/editorial/6641.asp


1,650 posted on 01/28/2006 12:16:27 PM PST by DAVEY CROCKETT (I can't stay on topic!)
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To: nw_arizona_granny

15 million Meadville factory fire ruled arson


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Saturday, January 28, 2006


The federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives has determined arson to be the cause of a fire that gutted a 50,000-square-foot factory in Meadville, Crawford County, on Monday.

http://pittsburghlive.com/x/tribune-review/s_418020.html


1,651 posted on 01/28/2006 12:40:08 PM PST by DAVEY CROCKETT (I can't stay on topic!)
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Minister: 'High risk' of dirty bomb

Saturday, January 28, 2006; Posted: 10:50 a.m. EST (15:50 GMT)
It is probably only a matter of time before Europe falls victim to a terror attack with a "dirty bomb" combining conventional explosives and radioactive material, according to Germany's interior minister
http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/europe/01/28/germany.dirtybomb.reut/index.html?section=cnn_latest


1,652 posted on 01/28/2006 12:43:02 PM PST by DAVEY CROCKETT (I can't stay on topic!)
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To: Founding Father

I did see the line that said "and take back" the part that is used for a bomb.

I also, saw a headline on one of the sites that I was posting from, it was something like "UN wants Bush to give Iran Nuke".

This one is beyond what I understand.

It may also be game playing by Bush, Russia got her neck out of the noose, by making offers that Iran would not accept.

It sounds like a good year to plant a garden, you may need the food.


1,653 posted on 01/28/2006 1:22:43 PM PST by nw_arizona_granny (The past cannot be changed, the future is what ever you want it to be. The choice is yours!)
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To: WestCoastGal

You should have a wonderful garden, it is as if you are planting, with an extra dash of God.

You may be able to use the lid for a tray to protect the surface, very useful in the house.

You will be surprised at the uses common herbs have for health purposes, check it out.

I just woke up, so can't think, but things like Rosemary and Fennel are high on the list.

The mint family is high on the healing list.

I always think of tomatoes as a soul food.


1,654 posted on 01/28/2006 1:35:52 PM PST by nw_arizona_granny (The past cannot be changed, the future is what ever you want it to be. The choice is yours!)
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To: DAVEY CROCKETT

Non bearing tomatoes, if they did not get shaken, then it was lack of polinization.

But where did you get the seeds?

If they were saved from store bought tomatoes, it could have been that the seeds were from hybrids and I have had the same happen here, lovely plants, volunteers and never a tomato, while my old varieties grew all around them.

I find that I get more pounds of cherry tomatoes to the vine from the cherry.

I would wash them and freeze them, then when I got to the 5 gallon mark, I dumped them in a pot and made tomato sauce for cooking and canned it.

Or take them and add to a good veg soup.

Here the big tomatoes crack and split and never produce as well as the common cherry does.

Several years ago, I ordered about 30 varieties from a place in Ohio, Sandhill poultry and seeds.

Do not read their tomato seed list, it took days to come
down to the 30 varieties, but the pkgs were small and cheap,
so I got to try things that I would not have done so at full price.

Yellow Plum tomatoes do very well, even here.

IN the sandhill list, there was one that said "prolific, few leaves, can sunburn" It was, more tomatoes per plant,
but not enough leaves to protect the fruit from real sun.

Would be good for a place that was cloudy or foggy, as they would get more sun.

My secret is out, a seed catalog or book catalog and I loose all control.......

A clothing catalog, bores me.


1,655 posted on 01/28/2006 1:49:38 PM PST by nw_arizona_granny (The past cannot be changed, the future is what ever you want it to be. The choice is yours!)
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To: DAVEY CROCKETT; All; WestCoastGal

This is where I got all the tomato seeds, I always read every word in his catalog, did not check it just now.

http://www.sandhillpreservation.com/About.htm

Good reading on this page:

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&client=googlet&q=Sandhill+nursery+seeds+poultry&spell=1


1,656 posted on 01/28/2006 1:58:37 PM PST by nw_arizona_granny (The past cannot be changed, the future is what ever you want it to be. The choice is yours!)
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To: DAVEY CROCKETT

Bombs in a hotel room, what next.

For all that I read, it still surprises me, I can recall when people hid their whiskey, but now you hide your own
personal bomb.

That was a good article on the guns for the entire town.

I am not caught up as yet, had to go to bed for a while.

The local radio skipped the news, but an hour ago, it (ABC)
had a report of a coliesum or stadium that the roof had crashed on in Poland, there were still 12 people under the rubble, who were calling for help on cellphones.

Said it was the worst snowfall in years.


1,657 posted on 01/28/2006 2:07:40 PM PST by nw_arizona_granny (The past cannot be changed, the future is what ever you want it to be. The choice is yours!)
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To: DAVEY CROCKETT

The leader of Venezuela has been yelling for months that we had spies in his country.

Good for us.

I like the line that said the spy had helped them escape.


1,658 posted on 01/28/2006 2:10:52 PM PST by nw_arizona_granny (The past cannot be changed, the future is what ever you want it to be. The choice is yours!)
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To: DAVEY CROCKETT; jerseygirl

The big fire in PA.

Reminds me of Jersey girl and her watching all the strange things, the Libery Bell.

Not a surprise.


1,659 posted on 01/28/2006 2:14:14 PM PST by nw_arizona_granny (The past cannot be changed, the future is what ever you want it to be. The choice is yours!)
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To: DAVEY CROCKETT

The dirty bomb, will show up in many places.

reminder tonight and Sunday night, is Dr. Bill is on at
KGO.com, 10:00 pm california time. ou can listen on the computer.

I hope he talks current events, you never know, it may be
all science.


1,660 posted on 01/28/2006 2:17:04 PM PST by nw_arizona_granny (The past cannot be changed, the future is what ever you want it to be. The choice is yours!)
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