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Bush was denied wiretaps, bypassed them (FISA Court denied them in unprecedented numbers)
UPI ^ | Dec. 27, 2005 | UPI

Posted on 12/27/2005 10:47:23 AM PST by Pragmatic_View

WASHINGTON, Dec. 26 (UPI) -- U.S. President George Bush decided to skip seeking warrants for international wiretaps because the court was challenging him at an unprecedented rate.

A review of Justice Department reports to Congress by Hearst newspapers shows the 26-year-old Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court modified more wiretap requests from the Bush administration than the four previous presidential administrations combined.

The 11-judge court that authorizes FISA wiretaps modified only two search warrant orders out of the 13,102 applications approved over the first 22 years of the court's operation.

But since 2001, the judges have modified 179 of the 5,645 requests for surveillance by the Bush administration, the report said. A total of 173 of those court-ordered "substantive modifications" took place in 2003 and 2004. And, the judges also rejected or deferred at least six requests for warrants during those two years -- the first outright rejection of a wiretap request in the court's history.


TOPICS: Extended News; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: abovethelaw; alqaeda; fisa; gwot; heroic; homelandsecurity; nsa; patriotleak; spying; terrorattack; terrorism; wiretap; wiretaps; wot
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To: USNBandit

In his first election bid, John Kerry and his brother bugged the campaign headquarters office of his opposition. The Lowell Sun.


201 posted on 12/27/2005 1:21:40 PM PST by massgopguy (massgopguy)
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To: Royal Wulff
We always must remember that it's Bush today, Hillary tomorrow

That is not good enough reasoning to put ourselves in danger because it may be abused one day (or not).

202 posted on 12/27/2005 1:22:15 PM PST by Citizen Soldier
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To: mware
They have to reside within a number of miles of DC.

Very interesting and would explain why they were chosen...

203 posted on 12/27/2005 1:23:38 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (History is soon Forgotten,)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Here is the rule regarding living in DC.

The Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court was created by section 103(a) of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act of 1978 (50 U.S.C. 1803(a)). It was originally comprised of seven district judges from seven circuits named by the Chief Justice of the United States to serve a maximum of 7 years.

In 2001, the U.S.A. Patriot Act (section 208) amended the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act to increase the number of FIS Court judges from seven to eleven, "of whom no fewer than 3 shall reside within 20 miles of the District of Columbia."

204 posted on 12/27/2005 1:25:59 PM PST by mware (everyone that doesn't like what America and President Bush has done for Iraq can all go to HELL.")
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To: Mo1
Bush asked the court to do X...they court ordered him to do Y.....understand?

The day that an unelected, uninformed, unaccountable "court" can give the president orders on how to conduct the national defense is the day I deny their legitimacy. This is not a judicial body, this is a gang of rogue bureaucrats who happen to be shysters.

205 posted on 12/27/2005 1:27:41 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: mware
My numbers were right but my explanation was off: If we chose a panel at random, the probability that you would get one both of these rogue judges is 0.0545.
206 posted on 12/27/2005 1:30:44 PM PST by AmishDude
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To: AmishDude
You are awesome, my friend.
207 posted on 12/27/2005 1:31:31 PM PST by mware (everyone that doesn't like what America and President Bush has done for Iraq can all go to HELL.")
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

At least 3 have to reside in or near DC. As many as 8 do not have to. I'm sure this is so that a 3-judge panel can be convened in an emergency.


208 posted on 12/27/2005 1:31:41 PM PST by AmishDude
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To: AmishDude
From 2001-2002, Bush only got 6 modifications/rejections. Still higher than the previous 2, but reasonable. Then, sometime in 2003, the rejections came fast and furious.

That is an interesting point to bring up. Which is the cart and which is the horse?

Didn't the President start skipping the court for this surveillance before 2003? If so the conclusion of this article is completely false. I think a better conclusion would be that the judges on the court got upset because they weren't always being consulted. They started messing with some of the applications for warrants as a result.

Again, I would encourage people to read the article. The article contains one fact, the number of modified and denied applications. The conclusions reached by the article are completely based upon the conjecture of an unlisted source, who hates the NSA and compares Bush to Nixon.

209 posted on 12/27/2005 1:32:42 PM PST by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: Citizen Soldier

My point was that bypassing the court is not something to crow about. I agree the action is justified in this case, I don't believe it's something that should be trumpeted.


210 posted on 12/27/2005 1:33:16 PM PST by Royal Wulff
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To: mware

Thanks, but I'm making a lot of assumptions. It may be that the panels are not formed at random. They may, for example, have to have at least one DC judge. It's easy enough to check my conjecture if you can match the rejections with the panels that rejected them.


211 posted on 12/27/2005 1:33:21 PM PST by AmishDude
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To: Pragmatic_View
U.S. President George Bush decided to skip seeking warrants for international wiretaps ....

I have absolutely no problem with this.

212 posted on 12/27/2005 1:34:45 PM PST by Not A Snowbird (Official RKBA Landscaper and Arborist, Duchess of Green Leafy Things)
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To: USNBandit

I doubt that the Bush administration just started to change its techniques and approach some time in 2003. In 2003, three things happened: First, the US went to war with Iraq. Second, a Clinton judge got nominated to the FISA court. Third, Howard Dean got a lot of press and popularity for being an explicitly anti-war candidate.


213 posted on 12/27/2005 1:35:57 PM PST by AmishDude
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To: Pragmatic_View
The President is Constitutional REQUIRED to protect the U.S.

These Judges take a similar oath. Apparently they had their fingers crossed behind their backs when the swore the oath.

214 posted on 12/27/2005 1:37:23 PM PST by marty60
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To: ndt
Is that the newest slogan? "It must be happening because we can't see, welcome to America the new KGB". Give me a freakin break!

Read the Congressional Authorization. It gave the President all the authority he needed to protect America from any further attacks and then the Constitution gives him the obligation to protect America from enemies foreign and domestic. Neither one excludes spying on anyone that has their phone numbers in an Al-Qaeda communication device because if it did then put your head between your legs and kiss your a*s good-bye.

Most legal opinions support the President so it's not against the law, as you state, and if congress wanted to make it illegal to wire-tap people no matter what the circumstances then they can certainly pass a law.
215 posted on 12/27/2005 1:42:20 PM PST by Wasanother (Terrorist come in many forms but all are RATS.)
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To: mware

I think they actually posted the government website, which has the info on the FISA judges and how they get there.


216 posted on 12/27/2005 1:42:22 PM PST by Pragmatic_View
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To: ndt

"they can not give a "blank check" to bypass constitutional limits."

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Are you saying that the US Constitution has been ignored for the first 200 years, all the way up to the 1970-s? This whole FISA court stuff was only created then, in response to the Nixon scandal.


217 posted on 12/27/2005 1:44:27 PM PST by Pragmatic_View
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To: Pragmatic_View
The MSM is desperately doing all in their power to have another 9-11 occur so they can: In my opinion, this is the ONLY thing on their agenda.
218 posted on 12/27/2005 1:44:36 PM PST by Cementjungle
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To: Pragmatic_View

So the rate of modification increased by 20,700.00% after Bush became President.


219 posted on 12/27/2005 1:46:41 PM PST by Brilliant
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To: speedy

"Why didn't Bush say this when he was justifying his actions? He seems to have no interest in defending himself.
"

Nerve racking aint it? The truth eventually gets out.


220 posted on 12/27/2005 1:46:53 PM PST by swheats
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