Posted on 12/23/2005 8:02:13 PM PST by sourcery
CLEVELAND -- A bill on Gov. Bob Taft's desk right now is drawing a lot of criticism, NewsChannel5 reported.
One state representative said it resembles Gestapo-style tactics of government, and there could be changes coming on the streets of Ohio's small towns and big cities.
The Ohio Patriot Act has made it to the Taft's desk, and with the stroke of a pen, it would most likely become the toughest terrorism bill in the country. The lengthy piece of legislation would let police arrest people in public places who will not give their names, address and birth dates, even if they are not doing anything wrong.
WEWS reported it would also pave the way for everyone entering critical transportation sites such as, train stations, airports and bus stations to show ID.
"It brings us frighteningly close to a show me your papers society," said Carrie Davis of the ACLU, which opposes the Ohio Patriot Act.
There are many others who oppose the bill as well.
"The variety of people who opposed to this is not just a group of the usual suspects. We have people far right to the left opposing the bill who think it is a bad idea," said Al McGinty, NewsChannel5’s terrorism expert.
McGinty said he isn't sure the law would do what it's intended to do.
"I think anything we do to enhance security and give power to protect the public to police officers is a good idea," he said. "It is a good law in the wrong direction."
Gov. Bob Taft will make the ultimate decision on whether to sign the bill.
WEWS was told that Taft is expected to sign the bill into law, but legal experts expect that it will be challenged in courts.
If someone cannot see how fundamentally offensive it is to have to go to a government bureaucrat, beg their permission and pay them a fee for a government license to merely exist in public, then there is no point trying to explain it to them. Any sane, cognizant person can see what a grotesque abomination this is.
Everybody has a social security number or needs one to be claimed on federal income tax and other items of interest.
Seems we all need to know the definition of what a "public place" is in Ohio, by Ohio law.
All need to read Vigilant1's FR profile page.
Actually, you'd need to know how the judge that will hear the case will define it--and perhaps also the appellate judges.
So what ever happened to the 5th amendment and the right to be silent.
Ah well who needs the constitution.
Those who sacrifice liberty for safety will have neither.
Uh geez....I have more than three types of ID on me at all times...
My drivers license
My CCW license
and several journeyman electrician licenses for multiple jurisdictions...
WTF is the problem with producing one?
In fact..I'm often asked for ID ....like everytime I buy a frickin beer...
No one is damanding "my papers"
if you drive...it's the law that you have a drivers license and produce one when asked....most states allow 24hrs to show proof if you left your wallet at home....but it IS the frickin law...
Your call, now, place the proof on Free Republic that "Your Social Security number is your serial number."
I will be watching and waiting for your post.
First, remember, civilians do not have a serial number.
You have the right to liberty...
You also have the responsility to identify yourself to a law enforcment officer going about his LEGAL duties...
A private citizen can get more info on you than the Govt...a corporation...even more...
This aint the 60's ...what are you...a peacenik?
How does a law enforement officer determine if someone is frickin illegal alien if he cant ask for ID?
Grow up.
get some ID
Produce it when asked.
Any: YES / NO
SS number....think again.
It's on every single piece of official paper work you have...and many non official ones...
My point was...if it's good enough for an enemy...it's good enough for an ally...
What I meant was..if it's good enough for an enemy..it's good enough for an ally...
Grow up.
My ass has it printed on it...
so what...
You guys sound like the liberals balking at showing ID to frickin vote..
Bite me.
if we all ever get assigned numbers, can I be Number 6?
hell buddy...you can be #69 if you want..
LOL
He establishes probable cause to search, or else he abstains.
Need does not justify coercion. Those who think so are common criminals, who think the fact they need the money in your wallet makes it OK to point a gun at you and demand you hand it over. Judges are supposed to tell such geniuses that the idea that their need for money justifies robbery is an evil rationalization.
Judges are also supposed to tell overzealous cops and legislators that their need to search in the absence of probable cause does not justify violation of the Constitutional prohibition against unreasonable searches--and that rationalizations to the contrary are evil.
So asking your name address and age is now a search?
????
You an ACLU wannabe?
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