Posted on 12/23/2005 8:02:13 PM PST by sourcery
CLEVELAND -- A bill on Gov. Bob Taft's desk right now is drawing a lot of criticism, NewsChannel5 reported.
One state representative said it resembles Gestapo-style tactics of government, and there could be changes coming on the streets of Ohio's small towns and big cities.
The Ohio Patriot Act has made it to the Taft's desk, and with the stroke of a pen, it would most likely become the toughest terrorism bill in the country. The lengthy piece of legislation would let police arrest people in public places who will not give their names, address and birth dates, even if they are not doing anything wrong.
WEWS reported it would also pave the way for everyone entering critical transportation sites such as, train stations, airports and bus stations to show ID.
"It brings us frighteningly close to a show me your papers society," said Carrie Davis of the ACLU, which opposes the Ohio Patriot Act.
There are many others who oppose the bill as well.
"The variety of people who opposed to this is not just a group of the usual suspects. We have people far right to the left opposing the bill who think it is a bad idea," said Al McGinty, NewsChannel5’s terrorism expert.
McGinty said he isn't sure the law would do what it's intended to do.
"I think anything we do to enhance security and give power to protect the public to police officers is a good idea," he said. "It is a good law in the wrong direction."
Gov. Bob Taft will make the ultimate decision on whether to sign the bill.
WEWS was told that Taft is expected to sign the bill into law, but legal experts expect that it will be challenged in courts.
This is a 'show me your papers' law ..no doubt about it...
Of course the cops will be sued foh fro piling.
asking for ID is not a crime..the USSC has allready stated so...
Name ,rank, serial number...
If you can give to an enemy...you can give it to a local law enforcment officer...
The only people not wishing to give proper ID most likely have a warrant out anyways...
Christ...I even need an ID to get a frickin beer when I am obviously well over 21...
If signed into law it will survive only until the first appearnce and briefing in a court of general jurisdiction. After that initial constitutional rejection it will go down in flames as it travels the appellate process.
I WOULD NOT!!!!
Remind me: who won the Cold War again?
If anyone wants to know where the edge is, this bill is over the edge.
Well, any cop that's foh fro piling SHOULD be sued.
People who reason like that are most likely unencumbered with the thought process.
"if you haven't done anything wrong you shouldn't have to anything to hide!"
Love that 'reasoning' to justify every type of search, too.
Not to out-of-state visitors, etc?
Same reasoning applies to one's wallet, the contents of one's financial accounts, and one's wife and children. Might as well drop trou, bend over and spread legs, too. It's not like that would actually kill, maim or cripple you, after all.
The point is whether you have the right to Liberty--which is the right to do whatever does not violate the rights of others--or whether you are a slave to the State, and subject to its whims. That's the issue here. Whether providing one's ID is the most minor of incoveniences, does no harm, and would help the police do a better job is not the relevant question.
Civilians do not have serial numbers.
That bill is hung up in committee...
How would this help fight terrorism? Atta and his crew all had names, addresses, birth dates, and ID cards to back it up.
Not yet. ;)
Ever heard of a Social Security Number?
Most every American has one and it just so happens that it is now also the serial number of members of the military.
On this ID card is printed: "Property of the United States Government, if found, drop in the nearest U.S. Mail Box"
Read my tagline:
Yes, got my SS number in 1943, at age 13.
Got my Military Serial Number in 1948.
http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:-1DE1kp-E0gJ:www.legislature.state.oh.us/bills.cfm%3FID%3D126_SB_9+Ohio+Patriot+Act+&hl=en
Sec. 2921.29. (A) No person who is in a public place shall refuse to disclose the person's name, address, or date of birth, when requested by a law enforcement officer who reasonably suspects either of the following:
(1) The person is committing, has committed, or is about to commit a criminal offense.
(2) The person witnessed any of the following:
(a) An offense of violence that would constitute a felony under the laws of this state;
(b) A felony offense that causes or results in, or creates a substantial risk of, serious physical harm to another person or to property;
(c) Any attempt or conspiracy to commit, or complicity in committing, any offense identified in division (A)(2)(a) or (b) of this section;
(d) Any conduct reasonably indicating that any offense identified in division (A)(2)(a) or (b) of this section or any attempt, conspiracy, or complicity described in division (A)(2)(c) of this section has been, is being, or is about to be committed.
(B) Whoever violates this section is guilty of failure to disclose one's personal information, a misdemeanor of the fourth degree.
(C) Nothing in this section requires a person to answer any questions beyond that person's name, address, or date of birth. Nothing in this section authorizes a law enforcement officer to arrest a person for not providing any information beyond that person's name, address, or date of birth or for refusing to describe the offense observed.
(D) It is not a violation of this section to refuse to answer a question that would reveal a person's age or date of birth if age is an element of the crime that the person is suspected of committing.
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