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http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:-1DE1kp-E0gJ:www.legislature.state.oh.us/bills.cfm%3FID%3D126_SB_9+Ohio+Patriot+Act+&hl=en


Sec. 2921.29. (A) No person who is in a public place shall refuse to disclose the person's name, address, or date of birth, when requested by a law enforcement officer who reasonably suspects either of the following:

(1) The person is committing, has committed, or is about to commit a criminal offense.

(2) The person witnessed any of the following:

(a) An offense of violence that would constitute a felony under the laws of this state;

(b) A felony offense that causes or results in, or creates a substantial risk of, serious physical harm to another person or to property;

(c) Any attempt or conspiracy to commit, or complicity in committing, any offense identified in division (A)(2)(a) or (b) of this section;

(d) Any conduct reasonably indicating that any offense identified in division (A)(2)(a) or (b) of this section or any attempt, conspiracy, or complicity described in division (A)(2)(c) of this section has been, is being, or is about to be committed.

(B) Whoever violates this section is guilty of failure to disclose one's personal information, a misdemeanor of the fourth degree.

(C) Nothing in this section requires a person to answer any questions beyond that person's name, address, or date of birth. Nothing in this section authorizes a law enforcement officer to arrest a person for not providing any information beyond that person's name, address, or date of birth or for refusing to describe the offense observed.

(D) It is not a violation of this section to refuse to answer a question that would reveal a person's age or date of birth if age is an element of the crime that the person is suspected of committing.


20 posted on 12/23/2005 9:37:35 PM PST by Dittohead68
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To: Dittohead68
"Sec. 2921.29. (A) No person who is in a public place ....."

Seems we all need to know the definition of what a "public place" is in Ohio, by Ohio law.

23 posted on 12/23/2005 9:47:13 PM PST by Buddy B (MSgt Retired-USAF)
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To: Dittohead68

So what ever happened to the 5th amendment and the right to be silent.

Ah well who needs the constitution.

Those who sacrifice liberty for safety will have neither.


27 posted on 12/23/2005 9:53:54 PM PST by festus (The constitution may be flawed but its a whole lot better than what we have now.)
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To: Dittohead68
(D) It is not a violation of this section to refuse to answer a question that would reveal a person's age or date of birth if age is an element of the crime that the person is suspected of committing.

So then, it would be reasonable to ask the LEO to name the crime s/he suspects you of committing BEFORE answering any age/DOB questions, right?

48 posted on 12/24/2005 11:14:19 AM PST by savedbygrace (SECURE THE BORDERS FIRST (I'M YELLING ON PURPOSE))
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To: Dittohead68

In other words, there's a 'reasonable belief' requirement in the bill, which would prevent peace officers from making blanket demands for ID, and there's a fifth amendment exception also. As proposed, the law lets a cop find out the identity of witnesses to a crime, and ask you who you are if he catches you skulking around acting suspicious. Somewhat less draconian than the ACLU makes it out to be.


50 posted on 12/24/2005 11:24:48 AM PST by ArmstedFragg
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To: Dittohead68
by a law enforcement officer who reasonably suspects either of the following:

The old standard used to be the higher "probable cause"

66 posted on 12/25/2005 9:06:29 AM PST by SauronOfMordor (A planned society is most appealing to those with the hubris to think they will be the planners)
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