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To: unionblue83

If they want to spy on suspicious persons, then IS IT NOT TRUE that they have over ten million illegal immigrants to start with?

You folks just don't get it. There are tens of thousands of people that come into the country daily. There are many, many thousands of uninspected rail cars that come in. Not to mention the foreign ships that dock.

Why is it all the sudden that Americans need to be spied on?


2 posted on 12/20/2005 4:02:52 AM PST by djf (Bush wants to make Iraq like America. Solution: Send all illegal immigrants to Iraq!)
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To: djf
Why is it all the sudden that Americans need to be spied on?

What, did you read the headline and decide to comment without reading the remainder of the article?

It goes to some length to explain how Americans are not targeted by this surveillance, unless they are acting as an agent of a foreign power.

4 posted on 12/20/2005 4:13:31 AM PST by angkor
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To: djf

I don't think that it's all that sudden. Anyway, publius sums it up fairly well, "..Even the ardent love of liberty will, after a time, give way to its dictates. The violent destruction of life and property incident to war, the continual effort and alarm attendant on a state of continual danger, will compel nations the most attached to liberty to resort for repose and security to institutions which have a tendency to destroy their civil and political rights. To be more safe, they at length become willing to run the risk of being less free." This is a war and as an American I am willing to give up this "civil liberty" of being able to have a phone conversation. I am not calling a mosque in Pakistan so I don't worry about it. The Clintonistas waged all out war against political enemies by the Echelon and Carnivore programs. Didn't hear a whole lot of screaming about spying then.


5 posted on 12/20/2005 4:16:29 AM PST by unionblue83
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To: djf
There are tens of thousands of people that come into the country daily.

Sorry, but I do get it. And to our country's failure in that regard we must target those that pose the biggest risk. In my home town, they have finally caught up with Damra at the Radical Mosque...now they have to catch the enemies within. They pose a much larger threat to the security of the United States than an illegal alien seeking work. I know you won't agree with me, but competing for work and stopping terrorism are two seperate priorities of scale. Only one seeks to truly overthrow our way of life.

7 posted on 12/20/2005 4:18:19 AM PST by EBH (Never give-up, Never give-in, and Never Forget)
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To: djf
If they want to spy on suspicious persons, then IS IT NOT TRUE that they have over ten million illegal immigrants to start with?

Can't we have ONE THREAD where one of you all don't drag that into the discussion?

Stay on TOPIC.

12 posted on 12/20/2005 4:22:19 AM PST by Howlin (Defeatism may have its partisan uses, but it is not justified by the facts. - GWB, 12/18/05)
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To: djf
Why is it all the sudden that Americans need to be spied on?

Evil aliens from the planet Mongor have convinced evil friends of the President to listen to Liebowitz' grocery orders?

15 posted on 12/20/2005 4:25:32 AM PST by Stentor
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To: djf

All you have to do is watch the news to know there are many Americans who want to do harm to this country. The wire tapping only applies to those who have contact with overseas persons of suspect.

Personally I think there are members of congress who need to be under surveillance. Someone sure leaks a lot of info to our enemies.


18 posted on 12/20/2005 4:31:37 AM PST by PROUDAMREP
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To: djf

It's not all Americans, it's just the ones calling to locations where terrorists are known to reside and be harbored.


25 posted on 12/20/2005 4:59:35 AM PST by funkywbr
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To: djf
Why is it all the sudden that Americans need to be spied on?

Because uninspected or even inspected rail cars can't communicate with other rail cars; can't light a bomb, or undertake any other activity without some live being initiating such activites. And those other live beings are the ones we need to target, whether citizens or not, so long as they are aiding and abetting those who would kill us all if given the chance.

32 posted on 12/20/2005 5:09:10 AM PST by Real Cynic No More (iLiberals and MSM manipulate the news.)
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To: djf

Your argument is that unless we check everything, we shouldn't check anything? Interesting thinking.


35 posted on 12/20/2005 5:18:19 AM PST by Raycpa
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To: djf
Why is it all the sudden that Americans need to be spied on?

I will take a wild guess here -- Maybe because they might be terrorist talking to home base.

50 posted on 12/20/2005 6:37:54 AM PST by Tarpon
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To: djf

Any proof at all for any link between illegals and Al Qeda? Nope. NONE. HOwever, there IS link between the American Citizens "spied on" and the terrorist group Al Qeda that murdered 3000 Americans. I know this surprises the Scared of their Shadow Cacus but YOU people do NOT get it. We have the right to Self Defense.


55 posted on 12/20/2005 5:27:29 PM PST by MNJohnnie (We do not create terrorism by fighting the terrorists. We invite terrorism by ignoring them.--GWBush)
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