Posted on 12/19/2005 6:30:23 PM PST by beyond the sea
Found this little piece moments ago. Seems to apply to all the absurd hubbub over what G.W. has very properly done.
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From:
http://www.slate.com/id/117041/
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In time, Congress grew concerned about the FBI's power, and after Prohibition's repeal it outlawed all non-consensual wiretapping (but not bugging) as part of the 1934 Communications Act. In 1939, the Supreme Court upheld that law, ruling that since taps were illegal, evidence obtained from using them was inadmissible in court.
Even so, executive officials kept using wiretaps. In particular, Franklin Roosevelt sought to carve out a large exception to the statutory ban. In 1940, he wrote his attorney general, Robert Jackson, that while he accepted the court rulings that upheld the 1934 law, he didn't think those prohibitions applied to "grave matters involving the defense of the nation"—an increasingly high priority as world war loomed. On the contrary, Roosevelt ordered Jackson to proceed with the secret use of "listening devices" (taps or bugs) to monitor "persons suspected of subversive activities … including suspected spies."
Concerned about a German "fifth column" in the United States, Roosevelt specified that his order applied to espionage by foreign agents. But when Harry Truman succeeded FDR in 1945, America's enemies list was changing fast. The next year, as the Iron Curtain fell and the Red Scare flared, Truman's attorney general, Tom Clark, expanded FDR's national security order to permit the surveillance of "domestic subversives." Clark and Truman endorsed wiretapping whenever matters of "domestic security" were at stake, allowing taps to be placed on someone simply because he held radical views.
The is no "eavesdropping," this is liberal buzzword like "benchmark."
The democrat party media are the terrorists #1 ally. No ifs, buts or maybes.
BTTT
We have to hasten the economic collapse of the NYTIMES
Good find.
Carter used warrantless wiretaps too.
http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1543688/posts
Good idea, but they're doing quite well themselves.
I then asked my friend this: which scenario would you take?-- Bush breaks the law and saves American lives, or Bush doesn't break the law and Americans are killed.
To his credit he hesitated about two seconds before giving me his answer: dead Americans.
Good find also.
UFO surveillance?
;-)
The Carter deal didn't mention spying on US citizens, but it's a step closer than most leftists will admit he ever got to avoiding FISA. And he didn't have a 9/11 to deal with.
Ummmm, let's see. Is it better to listen in to conversations of people with known Al Qaeda links, or would it be better to round up all people of middle eastern desent and put them into camps like FDR did?
Oh my God! What can we do?
We have Johnathan Turd-ley and others calling for G.W.'s impeachment. That is absurd.
They'll have to make room for President Bush on Mount Rushmore somee day.
Exactly! Imagine if G.W. proposed that type of thing!
Carl Levin would lose those last seven long, greasy hairs of his abysmal combover.
;-)
I can not believe the amount of moronic support for the President to violate the principles Constitution. A phone call is just another form of communication such as personal paper/letter. I am in no way against wire tapping, but either he subjects himself to the constitution or he is in violation thereof.
Amendment IV
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
GET A FREAKING WARRANT !!!
By the way supporters of the War Powers Act and the Trading with the Enemy Act are also morons as it violates all primary aspects of personal liberties along with treating American Citizens as enemies.
The following are excerpts from the Senate Report, 93rd Congress, November 19, 1973, Special Committee On The Termination Of The National Emergency United States Senate. They were going to terminate all emergency powers, but they found out they did not have the power to do this so guess which one stayed in, the Emergency Act of 1933, the Trading with the Enemy Act October 6, 1917 as amended in March 9, 1933.
"Since March 9, 1933, the United States has been in a state of declared national emergency....Under the powers delegated by these statutes, the President may: seize property; organize and control the means of production; seize commodities; assign military forces abroad; institute martial law; seize and control all transportation and communication; regulate the operation of private enterprise; restrict travel; and, in a plethora of particular ways, control the lives of all American citizens."
"A majority of the people of the United States have lived all of their lives under emergency rule. For 40 (now 63) years, freedoms and governmental procedures guaranteed by the Constitution have, in varying degrees, been abridged by laws brought into force by states of national emergency....from, at least, the Civil War in important ways shaped the present phenomenon of a permanent state of national emergency."
- Senate Report, 93rd Congress, November 19, 1973
Finally, I have my flame proof underwear on, so fire away.
LOL.............. you're right.
Isn't that the same line Hitler used after the Reichtag Fire? Yep pretty dang close.... Give up your liberties for security. I think some of the founders of this country had something to say about that. We should just let Heir Bush listen to all phone calls, read all paper and emails, maybe put two way televisions in everyone's home. Then we'll be safe...yeah thats it.
If there is probable cause, why not get a warrant? I am a supporter of the President, but I don't like this at all.
Someone please tell me what I'm missing? Is it because ther just isn't enough evidence to get a warrant in these cases?
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