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Math, science not all kids should know
Capital Times ^ | 12-18-05 | Dave Zweifel

Posted on 12/18/2005 11:51:04 AM PST by SJackson

I see that there's a move afoot to increase the math and science requirements in our public high schools because jobs today are more high-tech and require more of those skills.

So everyone's jumping through hoops, concerned that developing countries are eating our lunch on science and math and saying it's time our kids start cracking the whip. Businesses want high school grads with those skills, and business in Wisconsin usually gets what it wants. So legislators are introducing bills that would require kids to take three years of both science and math courses in order to graduate from high school. The current requirement is two years of each.

That's all fine and dandy and, obviously, as our major industries farm out what's left of our blue-collar jobs to cheap labor abroad, there's a need for U.S. high-schoolers to be able to deal with this new computerized and technical world out there. I sometimes think I could've used that extra year of math and science just to deal with the remote control on my television.

But let me add a word of caution here.

Preparing our high school students for the rough and tumble of the job market is a noble cause, but I hope it isn't being done at the expense of making sure our graduates are prepared to do their duty as U.S. citizens, too.

It's so important that young people understand the importance of citizenship in a democracy, the need to be politically literate and involved.

High school graduates need to understand the history and workings of American government and why they need to participate in a healthy debate of ideas and beliefs if that form of government is to survive.

All too many young people don't know who their representatives are or how they got to be where they are and, frankly, couldn't care less to know.

High school students need to experience citizenship through activities in school. They need to be given opportunities to experience governance, debate and the importance of moral and social behavior and be able to understand how they all can play out in their adult lives.

If we continue to graduate young people who don't care about being citizens, who are turned off at the very thought of politics and government, then it won't do us much good to have them know everything there is to know about math and science.

They won't have a country in which to practice their technological skills.


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To: Graymatter
I teach ancient Greek thought

What the hell is ancient Greek thought?

61 posted on 12/18/2005 4:21:37 PM PST by humblegunner (If you're gonna die, die with your boots on.)
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To: humblegunner

62 posted on 12/18/2005 4:47:24 PM PST by Graymatter
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To: humblegunner
"What the hell is ancient Greek thought?"
Aristotle, in his "Problemata", book 1, problem 50 recommended sexual excess as beneficial against the diseases caused by phlegm. The same Problemata, 33, 9 instructs the reader that a fart and a burp are really the same thing, but proceeding through different channels. So as you can plainly see, ancient Greek thought is very useful [that advice from 1, 50 actually works] and could be entertaining as well.
63 posted on 12/18/2005 4:49:52 PM PST by GSlob
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To: patton

I see that you have also mastered self deception. A Republic, ha, in name only.


64 posted on 12/18/2005 5:04:06 PM PST by B4Ranch (No expiration date is on the Oath to protect America from all enemies, foreign and domestic.)
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To: B4Ranch

Well, there is that.


65 posted on 12/18/2005 5:06:56 PM PST by patton ("Hard Drive Cemetary" - forthcoming best seller)
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To: kingu

I would have hand back the coins and asked for a dollar, then given back the five ones and asked for a five.

Do you now pay by check? That's cheating!


66 posted on 12/18/2005 5:16:08 PM PST by B4Ranch (No expiration date is on the Oath to protect America from all enemies, foreign and domestic.)
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To: SJackson
Our students are required to have 3 years of math, 3 years of science, and courses in government and economics.
67 posted on 12/18/2005 5:27:30 PM PST by Amelia (I thought conservatives were supposed to be rational.)
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To: ClaudiusI

The best decision I ever made in my life was to go to a liberal arts school instead of a tech school. Social interaction and clear communication and good planning has pushed me forward while many of my tech peers, too inept to get past an interview, sit at home whining about Indians.


68 posted on 12/18/2005 5:31:41 PM PST by Seamoth
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To: GSlob
Motivation is something the parents could [and should] instill, but no amount of motivation would ever suffice to make up for a serious lack of ability

Only by some effete standards. My life is made better by knowing the names of good mechanics, carpenters, landscapers, etc. They may not be brilliant, but they are skilled.
And I wouldn't give a nickel for some of the PhD's I know.

I respect people who contribute to society, not ones who think they are superior.

69 posted on 12/18/2005 5:51:22 PM PST by speekinout
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To: ClaudiusI

That's what graduate school is for. Not sure if I would want a dentist or a doctor who didn't know what was in the U.S. Constitution, or who didn't know the difference between a Democracy and a Republic.


70 posted on 12/18/2005 5:55:53 PM PST by Windsong (Jesus Saves, but Buddha makes incremental backups)
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To: Renegade
Without science advancements we would still be living in a cave with a life-span of 21 years .

And where would we be if we did not study History?

71 posted on 12/18/2005 5:56:55 PM PST by Windsong (Jesus Saves, but Buddha makes incremental backups)
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To: SandRat
That is pretty much what I experienced for a junior/senior high school curriculum. Add marching/concert band(trumpet), choir, competitive speech and two years of German. You missed geography in your list. I was assigned to a proposal writing group that had to provide resources worldwide. We had a big world map on the wall. As areas were called out, I zipped to the map and placed a push pin on it. I was shocked at the number of people in the room that didn't have a clue.
72 posted on 12/18/2005 5:58:42 PM PST by Myrddin
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To: speekinout

Whatever. Even a hundred of motivated monkeys with typewriters would not write "Hamlet". But maybe you could find a way of hypermotivating them. Fame and fortune awaiting you as a result are beyond imagination.


73 posted on 12/18/2005 6:13:31 PM PST by GSlob
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To: Windsong
When we create the time travel machine we will LIVE history , not study it !Scientists and mathematicians work in abstract and theoretical planes. Historians work with past occurrences of fact and their studies still do NOT prevent a repetition of similar events in future times .
In reality, " the strong will go to the stars and the meek shall inherit the Earth ."
74 posted on 12/18/2005 6:16:18 PM PST by Renegade
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To: Graymatter

Don't make him mad at you !!


75 posted on 12/18/2005 6:18:57 PM PST by Renegade
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To: ClaireSolt

It's important to get a well-rounded education. One of my sons is inclined to math and science, but rails against history. I told him about George Sanayana, and warned him about getting stuck in an infinite recursion if he doesn't learn from history.


76 posted on 12/18/2005 6:41:21 PM PST by RBroadfoot
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To: Renegade
In reality, " the strong will go to the stars and the meek shall inherit the Earth ."

Or, as I'd like to say "The meek shall inherit the Earth. The strong shall bomb them from orbit."

77 posted on 12/18/2005 6:53:58 PM PST by adx (Why's it called "tourist season" if you ain't allowed to shoot 'em?)
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To: GSlob

But do you believe 1 Euclid 5?


78 posted on 12/18/2005 7:00:48 PM PST by patton ("Hard Drive Cemetary" - forthcoming best seller)
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To: GSlob

"They are going to hate your guts for it. Thinking HURTS!"

I have been known to refer to myself as a "true sadist."


79 posted on 12/18/2005 7:38:41 PM PST by Old Student (WRM, MSgt, USAF(Ret.))
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To: SJackson

btt


80 posted on 12/19/2005 1:47:24 AM PST by Marie (Support the Troops. Slap a hippy.)
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