Posted on 12/16/2005 11:01:20 AM PST by Wuli
The three unpatriotic GOP Senators who joined the Democrats in snatching defeat from the jaws of victory today, by voting against ending a filibuster of the renewel of the Patriot Act were:
Chuck Hagel (Nebraska), Lisa Murlowski (Alasaka) and John Sununu (New Hampshire).
These people need to be told in no uncertain terms that we will hold them personally responsible for the terrorist acts that occur as a result of the resurrection of the intelligence walls and investigation restraints that will be put back in place against our terrorism investigations.
What is particularly shameful for these so-called GOP Senators is that on the day following the elections in Iraq, they helped elevate the story of the day to the defeat of the patriot act, and the selling of that story as a defeat for Bush and the GOP, instead of the defeat of the security of the American people that it really is.
Thanks Hagel, Murkowski and Sununu for your contributions to your party's political emasculation at the very time it is succeeding in the WOT and the war in Iraq. The Democrats could not ask for better friends. You are disgusting.
Hagel's offices D.C. Tel: (202) 224-4224, Lincoln Nebraska Tel: (402) 476-1400, Scottsbluff Office Tel: (308) 632-6032, Omaha Office Tel: (402) 758-8981, Kearney Office Tel: (308) 236-7602; Email with his webform at http://hagel.senate.gov/index.cfm?FuseAction=Contact.Home
Murkowski's offices D.C. 202-224-6665, Anchorage Office 907-271-3735, Fairbanks Office 907-456-0233, Juneau Delegation Office 907-586-7400, Kenai Delegation Office 907-283-5808, Ketchikan Delegation Office 907-225-6880, MatSu Delegation Office 907-376-7665, Bethel Delegation Office 907-543-1639 or Email with webform at http://murkowski.senate.gov/contact.cfm#form
Sununu's offices D.C. (202) 224-2841, BERLIN (603) 752-6074, CLAREMONT (603) 542-4872, MANCHESTER (603) 647-7500, PORTSMOUTH (603) 430-9560 or Email with webform at http://www.sununu.senate.gov/webform.html
I must have missed his name/vote when I looked at the roll call of the vote. Thanks. My mistake.
Ruby Ridge, Janet Reno, Waco, Elian Gonzalas.
If the dems get back in power - look for that times 100 and you can kiss your guns goodbye.
I just emailed Sununu's office. He was a Club for Growth candidate. I helped get him elected. I feel betrayed by that jerk.
I'm not going to get into it with Hagel or Snowe, neither of whom I like but neither of whom I hate like some around here, but Sununu is absolutely NOT an anti-American type.
Sununu has legitimate concerns about civil rights. In this case, from what I know, I disagree with him. But his patriotism (and I mean real patriotism, not Kerry and Dashle 'patriotism') absolutely shouldn't be attacked for his stand here. He's a great senator, and if he's doing it this way, it's because he honestly believes it violates civil rights, and again, by that, I mean real civil rights, not ACLU 'Civil Rights'.
Right as rain!
They are fulfilling their oath to protect the Constitution, unlike the purveyors of this unconstitutional nonsense.
Murkowski is a liberal, which annoys the hard-rock conservatives, but she also works for development of Alaska and Alaska's resources. Gov Murkowski is following his stated plan of making development not just possible, but happening. They are both pro-development, and pro-Gummint, which seems contradictory and doesn't fit the neocon definition of conservatism very well. But it does fit the redneck socialism definition of development. Different game in the final frontier.
Right, because they oppose the Patriot Act and the will of His Holiness Dubya - they're unpatriotic and they surely hate mom and apple pie too.
Clown...
1) Defendants have no automatic right to bail, guaranteed by the Constitution, but must now prove that they are NOT flight risks, rather than the government having to prove that they are.
2) Federal prosecutors can now leak grand jury testimony to other prosecutors where the defendant happens to be so that they can prosecute him there.
3) Government now has the power to, in essence, write its own search warrant for bank records and other personal property rather than have the oversight of a judge.
You are absolutely correct. But that's all-too-common here these days. Someone will likely give you the asinine reply that "you are on the same side of this issue as Ted Kennedy and al Qaeda." Or CAIR.
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"In the wrong hands such acts could lead directly to totalitarianism."
How so, with respect to the Patriot Act? What provisions? What checks are missing or needed? If additional checks are needed they can be offered and discussed.
What is atrocious is that the Patriot act renewal was debated and voted on, and approved in both houses. There were compromises, but open votes sent some version of the renewal from each house to the conference committee. So, after all those who opposed to renewal of the act lost, from both houses, it was left to the conference committee to reconcile the differences between the the two houses. Then came those who lost the open votes with demands that they did not get enough of the comprises they wanted so they demanded the already approved Senate bill be pulled back from the conference committee. The filibuster was over releasing the bill from the conference committee without removing the joint version produced from the versions approved by each house.
We now have, effectively, minority government and under the feckless GOP leadership this is not the first instance of it.
We can argue all we want about rights, but when we elect majorities and those majorities cannot move the actions we have elected them to move, then our democratic rights have been surrundered to a minority. This is how totalitarian governments take hold in a democracy.
What things?
A lot of things. It permits the feds to search any American's home, office, or personal property without the person’s knowledge and without a warrant...any American's internet records can seized by the feds on a showing of "relevance" (as opposed to probable cause). It authorizes the FBI to acquire any business records whatsoever by order of a secret U.S. court and the recipient of such a search order is forbidden from telling any person that he has received such a request...an unprecedented law in this country. The definition of "domestic terrorism" in the Act is broad enough to encompass a lot of political groups (including many conservative ones) that the federal government probably doesn't much care for. The elimination of the wall between domestic crimimal investigations and the intelligence agencies may be necessary...but the PATRIOT Act goes way beyond what is necessary or what American citizens should tolerate. Domestic police can now share information with intelligence agencies that they've gathered during grand jury proceedings...information about people other than those under investigation...and all of this can be done without court order or any judicial oversight.
Two important things to remember...we now know (especially since the Able Danger revelations) that having the PATRIOT Act back in 2001 would not have prevented 9/11 anyway...and just as important...there is no Constitutional authority for the PATRIOT Act. Look at Article I, Section 8 and tell me where Congress gets the authority.
I'm sure these folks also had no problem with the "Know Your Customer" bank snooping POS that law that passed a short time ago.
I'd rather choose whether of not (it would be NOT) to visit France. I really don't want this country to turn into France.
It was a temporary measure given to the police agencies and no different from powers given to internal police in the German regime in the 30s, except this was temporary and theirs was permanent. There are many in this country who would like total surveillance and control. It is right and pro-American to sunset this kind of thing. BTW, we're already keeping an eye out for terrorists and criminals and protecting our security and that won't stop when the Patriot Act does.
When the Patriot Act ends we'll be doing all of this just like we did on 9/10/01.
Can't happen. 'I am sincerely glad I wasn't born French', said an Englishman.
No, it won't be 9/10 again. The Patriot Act does not make the difference between what we are and what we were five years ago. The Patriot Act was nothing but the Congress wanting to appear to do something. Our country and our law comes from the people, not from the Gummint.
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