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Bush Accepts McCain's Ban on Torture
Drudge Report ^ | Dec 15, 2005 | LIZ SIDOTI

Posted on 12/15/2005 4:08:10 PM PST by armydawg1

WASHINGTON - President Bush reversed course on Thursday and accepted Sen. John McCain's call for a law banning cruel, inhumane and degrading treatment of foreign suspects in the war on terror. Bush said the agreement will "make it clear to the world that this government does not torture and that we adhere to the international convention of torture, whether it be here at home or abroad."

"It's a done deal," said McCain, talking to reporters in a driving rain outside the White House.

Under the deal, CIA interrogators would be given the same legal rights as currently guaranteed members of the military who are accused of breaking interrogation guidelines. Those rules say the accused can defend themselves by arguing it was reasonable for them to believe they were obeying a legal order.

"We've sent a message to the world that the United States is not like the terrorists," McCain said earlier as he sat next to Bush in the Oval Office.

The White House at one point threatened a veto if the ban was included in legislation sent to the president's desk, and Vice President Dick Cheney made an unusual personal appeal to all Republican senators to give an exemption to the CIA. www.drudgereport.com

(Excerpt) Read more at breitbart.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS: 109th; bush43; mccain; torture; torturebill; vetolaughinghere
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To: Diddle E. Squat

Yes, as Eban of Israel said of the Palestinians "they never miss an opportunity to miss an opportunity."


41 posted on 12/15/2005 6:16:29 PM PST by T.L.Sink (stopew)
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To: Howlin

You know Howlin, I see many, many postings here that are on numerous times. Whats your point?


42 posted on 12/15/2005 6:27:11 PM PST by armydawg1 (" America must win this war..." PVT Martin Treptow, KIA, WW1)
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To: xrp

Read My Lips all over again.


43 posted on 12/15/2005 6:28:38 PM PST by armydawg1 (" America must win this war..." PVT Martin Treptow, KIA, WW1)
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To: manwiththehands

Bush is becoming a Flip Flop artist. Now the media will love him for about 5 minutes, then go back to bashing him. I think this guy needs to be loved. No other explanation for his caving to the left wing so much.


44 posted on 12/15/2005 6:30:49 PM PST by armydawg1 (" America must win this war..." PVT Martin Treptow, KIA, WW1)
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To: sgtbono2002

Sgt Bono, its our guys in uniform that got sold down the river by this President that likes to get in front of them for a guaranteed warm reception. That may need to start cooling off now.


45 posted on 12/15/2005 6:32:40 PM PST by armydawg1 (" America must win this war..." PVT Martin Treptow, KIA, WW1)
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To: armydawg1
And what infuriates me the most is that Kerry's biggest flaw during last year's campaign was his Flipflopping.

Right now Bush isn't any better. I'm so angry I could spit.

But then again ... it's only 'W'.

What else am I to expect?

46 posted on 12/15/2005 7:48:34 PM PST by manwiththehands ("Have a RamaHanuKwanzMas" - Glenn Beck (And Merry Christmas!) (... and "Happy Holidays!"))
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To: jwalsh07

Don't we need to know how much has been going on that is now banned by the Bill that bore fruit, to know how much this will interfere with knowing what we need to know, before measuring the harm? My personal view is that torture should be banned unless signed off by the President himself as something critical to US security or war effort, ie the Dershowitz position. There should be an accountability trial right to the top. JMO.


47 posted on 12/15/2005 7:56:01 PM PST by Torie
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To: Torie
Torture isn't the issue. We are signatoies to the anti torture convention. The US Military filed manual is already quite specific on torture.

One issue is the law itself which is vague in banning cruel and unusual punishment leaving it up to courts to interpret very liberally.

The other issue is the wording of the bill which gives terrorist scum 5th, 8th, 9th and 14th amendment rights.

Have you read it? It's an unlawful combatants dream come true.

48 posted on 12/15/2005 8:53:20 PM PST by jwalsh07
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To: jwalsh07
Have you read it?

No. I was just indulging in a tentative sans culotte knee jerk reaction, and decided to go to the expert for more info. Perhaps if you are bored, you can make a J'accuse Bush post to lay it all out. I am obviously a tabula rasa on this one. Your post caught my reaction, because of your dyspeptic anger at Bush. And here I thought I was the one triangulating away from Bush (rather than you), as part of the cohort that was bringing his poll numbers down. :)

49 posted on 12/15/2005 9:11:27 PM PST by Torie
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To: colchicine

I think I follow. Executing prisoners and putting their heads on pikes, whilst burying their bodies in the carcasses of pigs, isn't torture now, is it?


50 posted on 12/15/2005 9:14:44 PM PST by RinaseaofDs
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To: jwalsh07

By the way, who will have jurisdiction to adjudicate all of this? Will it be a military court, or a federal court?


51 posted on 12/15/2005 9:18:04 PM PST by Torie
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To: Torie
This guy evidently agrees with my take and he is oh so much better at speaking your language.
52 posted on 12/15/2005 9:22:54 PM PST by jwalsh07
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To: jwalsh07
"Thus far today, I have called the White House, resigned from the Republican Party, renounced the Senate and the House members who voted for this grabage and I'm just getting started. A disgrace."

Whoa...But that's why I love ya, Big Jawn.

When principle is compromised this much for the sake of political correctness AND at the expense of U.S. security, the repercussions MUST become dramatic.

This BS stinks to high-heaven -- so does the so-called "leadership" of the GOP -- beginning with the President himself.

53 posted on 12/15/2005 9:23:21 PM PST by F16Fighter
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To: jwalsh07

LOL. I will read it when my mind is a bit sharper than now. I am fatigued. I had a rough day.


54 posted on 12/15/2005 9:24:33 PM PST by Torie
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To: Torie; F16Fighter
OK, get some rest. Take care of yourself, we're not getting any younger. :-}

Same goes for you F16. :-}

55 posted on 12/15/2005 9:26:16 PM PST by jwalsh07
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To: jwalsh07

he needed to be making that case all along - he might have had the votes to stop this, or at least get the CIA compromise.

he has simply lost this issue politically - the votes are not there to sustain a veto.


56 posted on 12/15/2005 9:32:57 PM PST by oceanview
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To: manwiththehands

he opposed the bill, tried to get a compromise - but in the end, the votes are not there. the president is weak politically, the defense bill cannot be held up forever, what else can be done?


57 posted on 12/15/2005 9:35:10 PM PST by oceanview
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To: jwalsh07

it is indeed, an unmitigated disaster. but I don't know what can be done, look at the list of republican senators voting for it, and the house vote too.


58 posted on 12/15/2005 9:36:27 PM PST by oceanview
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To: armydawg1
Mr. John McPain wins, inhumane and degrading treatment of foreign suspects in the war on terror is all over.


59 posted on 12/15/2005 9:49:09 PM PST by Major_Risktaker
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To: Major_Risktaker
Bush caved big time. If only the President had a tenth of the backbone he's repeatedly shown with foreign tyrants when congressmen back home start a fuss. This was a battle he could have and should have won hands-down. More
60 posted on 12/15/2005 10:44:07 PM PST by PreachingPolitics
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