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Humans in England May Go Back 700,000 Years
AP/YAHOO ^ | 12/14/05 | THOMAS WAGNER

Posted on 12/15/2005 3:27:46 AM PST by Vaquero

Humans in England May Go Back 700,000 Years

By THOMAS WAGNER, Associated Press Writer Wed Dec 14, 2:04 PM ET

LONDON - Ancient tools found in Britain show that humans lived in northern Europe 200,000 years earlier than previously thought, at a time when the climate was warm enough for lions, elephants and saber tooth tigers to also roam what is now England. ADVERTISEMENT

Scientists said Wednesday that 32 black flint artifacts, found in river sediments in Pakefield in eastern England, date back 700,000 years and represent the earliest unequivocal evidence of human presence north of the Alps.

Scientists had long held that humans had not migrated north from the relatively warm climates of the Mediterranean region until half a million years ago.

"The discovery that early humans could have existed this far north this long ago was startling," said Prof. Chris Stringer, a paleontologist at the Natural History Museum, one of four British scientists involved in the study who announced the finding at a news conference in London. Their discovery is detailed in the scientific journal Nature.

In a commentary in Nature, Wil Roebroeks of Leiden University in The Netherlands said the evidence of human activity at Pakefield was "rock solid."

Roebroeks, who was not involved in the study, said it showed that "early humans were evidently roaming the banks of these rivers ... much earlier than hitherto thought for this part of Europe."

But another outside expert called for caution.

"One always has to be skeptical, given that previous claims of early human presence in northern Europe have had problems with the date or authenticity of the artifacts found. If indeed subsequent findings support this discovery, it would be very exciting and would change our ideas about the adaptability of early humans," Alison Brooks, an anthropologist at George Washington University in Washington, D.C., said in an interview.

Stringer said now scientists can search for human remains, and perhaps find humans arrived in the region even earlier than 700,000 years ago.

"We have a whole new area of research opening up to us," he said.

Prof. Jim Rose of the University of London, another researcher involved in the study, said that 700,000 years ago, England was still connected the European mainland and enjoyed relatively short periods of balmy weather between the time that massive glaciers swept through the area, freezing and reforming the landscapes.

During such thaws, he said, early humans would have been able to migrate to England from the Mediterranean and enjoy mild winters, flat landscapes and major rivers.

Rhinoceroses, elephants, saber tooth tigers, lions, hippopotamuses and bears lived in the area at the time. The scientists said they don't know whether the humans used the discovered sharp-edged tools to kill animals for food, or merely to scavenge from carcasses that predators left behind.

The artifacts suggest that the early humans did not colonize northern areas of Europe, but merely expanded their migratory patterns there when the weather permitted, the scientists said.

Pakefield, a coastal village 120 miles (190 kilometers) northeast of London, is one of the few areas where glaciers preserved, rather than destroyed, the sediment that contained ancient artifacts, Rose said. Coastal erosion is now opening up cliffs around Pakefield, exposing fossils and artifacts.

Before that discovery the earliest unambiguous traces of human beings in Europe north of the Alps were dated to about 500,000 years ago, and included flint artifacts, bones of mammals and even some human remains that were discovered in Bosgrove on the southern coast of England.

The earliest traces of human presence in southern Europe are at least 800,000 years old and include materials that were discovered in Atapuerca, Spain.

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Professor Chris Stringer, a paleontologist at the Natural History Museum, holds one of the 32 black flint artifacts, found in river sediments in Pakefield in eastern England, that date back 700,000 years, during a presentation in London, Wednesday Dec. 14, 2005. Ancient tools found in Britain show that humans lived in northern Europe 200,000 years earlier than previously thought, at a time when the climate was warm enough for lions, elephants and saber tooth tigers to also roam what is now England. Scientists had long held that humans had not migrated north from the relatively warm climates of the Mediterranean region until half a million years ago. (AP Photo/Lefteris Pitarakis)


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I thought we had global warming now....600,000 years ago the weather was warm enough to support hippos in England and the sea level was so high that england was connected to the rest of Europe....What gives? (sarc)
1 posted on 12/15/2005 3:27:47 AM PST by Vaquero
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To: PatrickHenry

CREVO PING


2 posted on 12/15/2005 3:28:50 AM PST by Vaquero ("An armed society is a polite society" R. A. Heinlein)
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To: Vaquero
I thought we had global warming now....600,000 years ago the weather was warm enough to support hippos in England and the sea level was so high that england was connected to the rest of Europe...

You weren't suppose to notice that.

3 posted on 12/15/2005 3:30:56 AM PST by Always Right
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To: Vaquero; blam; SunkenCiv
In England 700,000 years ago?

I'll wait for something besides a AP article

4 posted on 12/15/2005 3:35:32 AM PST by dread78645 (Sorry Mr. Franklin, We couldn't keep it.)
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Humans in England May Go Back 700,000 Years

I've seen folks around here going back to the 1960's and 1970's, but that's taking "retro" a bit to the extreme, isn't it?

5 posted on 12/15/2005 3:35:34 AM PST by Larry Lucido
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To: Vaquero

And their teeth haven't gotten any better in all that time.


6 posted on 12/15/2005 3:40:09 AM PST by beaversmom
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To: Vaquero
Very believable!

Met a few of them myself on a pub crawl from Birmingham to Wolverhampton by way of Dudley.

7 posted on 12/15/2005 3:40:39 AM PST by leadhead (It’s a duty and a responsibility to defeat them. But it's also a pleasure)
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To: Vaquero

Darwinist nonsense.


8 posted on 12/15/2005 3:41:03 AM PST by balch3
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To: Larry Lucido

I wonder if Motown & Disco music was around back then?


9 posted on 12/15/2005 3:42:14 AM PST by moonman
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To: balch3

Yes, you go ahead and keep deluding yourself. Close your eyes and click your heals and the facts of Evolution will go away....


10 posted on 12/15/2005 3:43:51 AM PST by Vaquero ("An armed society is a polite society" R. A. Heinlein)
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To: Vaquero

Makes me glad I didn't become an Anthropolgist, it sounds like a full time job.


11 posted on 12/15/2005 3:46:44 AM PST by wolfcreek
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To: Vaquero
click your heals and the facts of Evolution will go away....

I fail to see how old rock tools provide additional facts in support of the theory of biological evolution and the formation of new species through genetic drift.

12 posted on 12/15/2005 3:56:40 AM PST by ClearCase_guy
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To: Vaquero

Not to nitppick, but the sea level would have been "low" enough for England to be connected to Europe...

I think this is fascinating-rhinoceroses in England! Fires the imagination, it does!


13 posted on 12/15/2005 4:01:30 AM PST by ktvaughn
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To: ClearCase_guy
every aspect of evolution is not the question. If you want to discuss biological evolution then there is a forum for that. as far as my reply, it was to a person who obviously, by the age of the human relics, had his beliefs of a 5,000 year old earth shaken and he reacted.

Your question can be answered by a myriad of other scientific treatises
14 posted on 12/15/2005 4:01:58 AM PST by Vaquero ("An armed society is a polite society" R. A. Heinlein)
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To: ktvaughn

I stand corrected on this.


15 posted on 12/15/2005 4:02:50 AM PST by Vaquero ("An armed society is a polite society" R. A. Heinlein)
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To: Vaquero

Thanks, but this "news" isn't yet ripe for the ping list.


16 posted on 12/15/2005 4:13:54 AM PST by PatrickHenry (Virtual Ignore for trolls, lunatics, dotards, common scolds, & incurable ignoramuses.)
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To: zot

ping.


17 posted on 12/15/2005 4:16:11 AM PST by GreyFriar ((3rd Armored Division -- Spearhead))
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To: Vaquero

England? Bet there weren't any teeth left for the researchers to examine.


18 posted on 12/15/2005 4:17:33 AM PST by toddlintown (Lennon takes six bullets to the chest, Yoko is standing right next to him and not one f'ing bullet?)
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To: balch3

I hope you're joking. It surprises how many people today still believe the world is just over four thousand years old, despite all the massive evidence to the contrary. I guess the pyramids and ancient tombs of Egypt don't really exist. I believe in evolution and can't see how it contradicts my faith in the least. I'm not an Old Testament literalist, though. For life on this planet to evolve the way it has, such complexity would be impossible if not divinely guided.


19 posted on 12/15/2005 4:19:30 AM PST by Saint Reagan
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To: Vaquero
Scientists said Wednesday that 32 black flint artifacts, found in river sediments in Pakefield in eastern England, date back 700,000 years . . .

. . . and are most likely ancient British dentistry tools.

20 posted on 12/15/2005 4:22:24 AM PST by TheGhostOfTomPaine
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