Catholic Schools Not Worthy of All The Type

republicanresearch.com ^ | Dec 2, 2005 | David Koziatek

[David9493A]

The school is not the main reason why children succeed academically, it is more the child's parents

[humblegunner]

The school is not the main reason why children succeed academically, it is more the child's parents

Is that all there is to your article?
I assume there was supposed to be more since there is no period at the end.

Or maybe it's just a clump of crud.

[darkangel82]

IBTZ?

[justshutupandtakeit]

They are not educating the same kind of pupil. And even with that advantage are not as good as the better public schools.

[wideawake]

And even with that advantage are not as good as the better public schools.

Oh, how wrong you are.

[justshutupandtakeit]

Now the ideologes are going to come after you. You will be assimilated remember The Public Schools are the Root of All Evil.

[theFIRMbss]

>All The Type
Does the title need to be changed to 'Hype'?

Maybe the story
is Adobe stopping their
free font donations . . .

[justshutupandtakeit]

I am very familiar with Catholic schools and their pupils having lived in Chicago for forty years where most of the white students go to these schools. The very best of them Gordon and St. Ignatius are excellent but not as good as the top public schools here: Payton, Lane, or Young. And I have met and known dozens of the formers' students and am singularly unimpressed with their overall abilities and knowledge.

Now they do play excellent football. Of course, they spend three times as much on those programs as the public schools.

My sons attended both public and private schools so I have no particular axe to grind for the p.s. just want some accuracy.

[Sonny M]

While the main point of the article is good, the article itself is pretty bad.

I.E. factually correct, but left to flounder on its own without back up or support which their is an obvious abundance of.

That said.

I have friends who teach in public schools ( and a couple in catholic schools).

The stories they both tell are night and day.

The parents in public schools (especially minority parents) seem to believe that it is more up to the government to take an active role in the childs education, and that since they pay taxes which pay teachers, the teachers should be able to handle everything.

Some of them don't even show up on any parent teacher night, while others refuse to believe their kids can ever fail or do bad and if they do, they pass the buck.

The catholic schools teachers describe a different, but never the less tough, attitude, where parents are actively involved and feel since they are paying, or investing in their kids education, they should assume a more active role in monitoring and being involved with the kids education.

I told my friends in the public school point blank, your union really does more harm to these kids then good, but it falls on deaf ears.

I get back most of the union talking points.

[Old North State]

I think there is enough data over the last 30 years to discern a few reliable conclusions about Catholic v. public schools.
Using the usual indicators of performance (graduation, standard test, college admissions, etc.) - Catholic schools do a better job.
Controlling for student income, family structure, location, etc. - Catholic schools do better.
Under the same sets of variables above, Catholic schools educate pupils for significantly less than public schools.
It may be true that other factors, such as an ability to expel, effect the size of the differences in outcome, but they do not effect the outcome.

[martin gibson]

Try expelling a kid from a public school and you've got a dozen Johnnie Chochranes, and "civil rights" advocates,storming the front door...

Try failing one...heck, try giving a failing grade on a test. Then, after your Principal and Department Chair beat you up for the de facto evidence of 'your failure to relate to the needs of the student community', they will let you twist while the 'community advocates' get you all straightened out...

[Rocket1968]

My three daughters went to Catholic school K-8 and I don't regret one minute of my volunteer (fundraising) time or the money spent.

When my oldest went to high school her freshman English teacher said to me at the first conference that he knew she went to a Catholic school because he didn;t have to spend any time teaching her the "basics."

My middle daughter submitted her first freshman college papers and was told that she wouldn't learn any more from that class. She submitted two more papers to the Dean and was given an ace for the semester.

I could give more examples from other courses, but I think you get the point. My children are much better off because they went to Catholic school.

There may be many reasons for this, such as parental involvement, but the fact is that Catholic schools teach discipline, both academic and personal.

[kdot]

I agree completely. Sure there are frustrating events in the public school, but a good parent who is involved will use those incidents as learning experiences. Even tasks as mundane as the school bus ride can present opportunities to teach values. The "data" component of an education is achievable in both public and private schools. The "values" component is what the parent's make it. I know a couple families who send their kids to the local Catholic school. They participate because they have to and go through all the motions. Their kids aren't all that.

Unless you refer to an unsafe or simply bad public school, a good education can be had in either public or private. Values are all about the parents.

[radiohead]

I think there is enough data over the last 30 years to discern a few reliable conclusions about Catholic v. public schools.

I went to Catholic schools for 12 years - back in the days when a nun was a nun and wasn't afraid to throw an eraser across the room to let you know it.

My mother taught in the public schools, as did her friends. All of these public school teachers, of varying faiths, sent their kids to Catholic schools. Hmmm....

[SaltyJoe]

Ever wonder why, in the past decades, tech schools and its graduates have been doing incredibly well compared to the nation's liberal arts universities and their graduates?

It's time to put a paradigm into proper perceptive since we're beyond hypothesis with this failed education model.

EDUCATION IS A PRODUCT LIKE ANYTHING ELSE MANKIND HAS TO OFFER TO FELLOW HUMANS!!!!!!!!!!!!!

When all view education as a product on the FREE MARKET in the Industry of Education, then consumers and providers will approach the education of both children and adults the same way that consumers shop for goods and services provided by suppliers and providers.

In short, the errors of Socialism don't work for the free market which includes education.

The free world has Catholics to thank for providing the Rock in which Christ builds His Kingdom on earth.

Example to shift the education industry out of the Socialist lie and into the free market paradigm:

When a disruptive child interrupts the service the school provides to the rest of the children, what's stopping the rest of the concerned parents from voting out the bully from the classroom? This democratic process isn't limited to reality TV. Furthermore, the bully in limbo being removed from the classroom doesn't necessarily have to immediately be removed from that school. The contractual service and product of education protects both instructor and pupil. When a pupil is unwilling, the instructor is free of obligation. A pupil not old enough to sign such a contract must have his or her parent or legal guardian take responsibility. When such people continue to make it impossible for such a contractual and fruitful relationship to exist, the education institution and tax paying community are right to recognize their freedom from a false responsibility or burden to educate such unruly people. Masonic errors to push their heresy onto society and into the Natural Family through forced reeducation centers and bastions of Socialism/Liberalism can go to Hell.

[razorgirl]

EDUCATION IS A PRODUCT LIKE ANYTHING ELSE MANKIND HAS TO OFFER TO FELLOW HUMANS!!!!!!!!!!!!!

When all view education as a product on the FREE MARKET in the Industry of Education, then consumers and providers will approach the education of both children and adults the same way that consumers shop for goods and services provided by suppliers and providers.

And I INSIST that MY education comes in spikey 4" heels and vicious looking studs, or I SIMPLY WON'T be seen in public with it!!!!

[justshutupandtakeit]

I do not detect much real excellence in the schools and any test differentials are not that great particularly compared to the very top schools. I have seen no proportionality in the award of National Merit Scholarships wrt the Catholic schools. I do not deny there are some which are very good.
But the very best are public.

[SaltyJoe]

There are some disordered men who'll pay big money for abuse, but I don't think that sort of sale is in the "education" industry.

[tubebender]

IS THIS YOUR SANDBOX?