What Next for Conservatives (Creationism and spending are destroying the Republican Party)

townhall.com ^ | 11/17/2005 | George Will

[hedgetrimmer]

I'd say the fraudlently named "free trade" is destroying the Republican party. Phony "free trade" is responsible for our wide open border, the flood of H1 B visas, outsourcing and offshoring. It is responsible for the loss of the authority of the american citizen over his government. It is the seed of the Bush doctrine and the neocon agenda to democratize the world. It is responsible for the subversion of the republican party to support global socialism, "fighting poverty" through aid with trade, "trade capacity building", remittances and other wealth redistribution programs. All these things are very un-Republican and counter to the republican party platform.

[Virginia-American]

...Gills, like a mudfish! Amphibian vestiges! Resemblence to a primate! I dutifully hid my snorts. What does looking like something have to do with anything?...

Gill slits, not gills.

Resemblence to a primate? We *are* primates. (Why do you think we modestly named it that?) I think you meant resemblence to other vertebrate embryos.

Did you get into the way the ear bones develop? They start in the jaw and migrate to the inner ear. Now where have I seen that before? Oh yes, the fossil record of reptile -> mammal-like reptile -> reptile-like mammal -> mammal.

Not as much as Haekel thought, but to some extent, ontogeny really does recapitulate phylogeny.

[jennyp]

Ugh, I was composing a brilliant response to your #173 last night when the power went out! I'll try again later.

[Oztrich Boy]

Since we are making heartfelt suggestions to the greater good of conservatism--let me add to them the suggestion that your gang of "do gooders" stop actively alienating potential allies,

Good point. I wouldn't want to alienate the Religious Cons, a group with a strong committment to individual liberty, personal responsiblity, private property, the free-market, limited governmment, and the rule of law, by insulting them.

Oh wait. That's not the ReCons at all. They'd discard any and all of that to advance their causes - just as progressives would.

[Oztrich Boy]

Resemblence to a primate? We *are* primates.

Ya gotta admit that's a resemblence to bank on

[Virginia-American]

Do you mean to tell me that ID/evolution will not supplant the economy, the WOT, morality, spending, taxes and unfettered courts in the hearts and souls of conservative voters in the coming election? Pshaw!

I don't much care about a candidate's personal views on crevo. EG, Pres. Bush is most likely a creationist, but he has the mature good judgement not to push it. In particular, he knows enough to appoint competent people to offices that require scientific knowledge. I voted for him.

However, if a candidate were to make a commitment to promote ID in schools, or made disparaging remarks about standard biology, I wouldn't vote for him. I couldn't trust his judgement on other matters. This has nothing to do with party or religion: a GOP Christian creationist or a D*m Scientologist or an indie Muslim. Even if they talked good on the economy and WOT.

If a candidate had scientific training he would understand why ToE is accepted by the overwhelming majority of biologists. If he lacked scientific training, he should defer to the experts.

Any candidate with the hubris to declare that his opinion is better than that of biologists should not be trusted with public power.

[Coyoteman]

rabid evo fundies
evo-fundie pet peeve
elitist evo-fundies

Don't hold back, tell what you really think.

[Coyoteman]

I find it very telling that evofundies pretend that every educated person agrees with them.

I find it telling that you offer only name-calling, not rational argument or even polite discussion.

So, here is some of the actual data that the theory of evolution works with. Enjoy.

Fossil: KNM-WT 15000

Site: Nariokotome, West Turkana, Kenya (1)

Discovered By: K. Kimeu, 1984 (1)

Estimated Age of Fossil: 1.6 mya * determined by Stratigraphic, faunal & radiometric data (1, 4)

Species Name: Homo ergaster (1, 7, 8), Homo erectus (3, 4, 7, 10), Homo erectus ergaster (25)

Gender: Male (based on pelvis, browridge) (1, 8, 9)

Cranial Capacity: 880 (909 as adult) cc (1)

Information: Most complete early hominid skeleton (80 bones and skull) (1, 8)

Interpretation: Hairless and dark pigmented body (based on environment, limb proportions) (7, 8, 9). Juvenile (9-12 based on 2nd molar eruption and unfused growth plates) (1, 3, 4, 7, 8). Juvenile (8 years old based on recent studies on tooth development) (27). Incapable of speech (based on narrowing of spinal canal in thoracic region) (1)

Nickname: Turkana Boy (1), Nariokotome Boy

See original source for notes:
Source: http://www.mos.org/evolution/fossils/fossilview.php?fid=38

[ml1954]

However, if a candidate were to make a commitment to promote ID in schools, or made disparaging remarks about standard biology, I wouldn't vote for him. I couldn't trust his judgement on other matters. This has nothing to do with party or religion: a GOP Christian creationist or a D*m Scientologist or an indie Muslim. Even if they talked good on the economy and WOT.

If a candidate had scientific training he would understand why ToE is accepted by the overwhelming majority of biologists. If he lacked scientific training, he should defer to the experts.

Any candidate with the hubris to declare that his opinion is better than that of biologists should not be trusted with public power.

Can't be repeated enough. Well said.

[Virginia-American]

Thanks.

[jwalsh07]

I never made any hypothesis that 'claiming a belief that God created the universe is a loser for conservatives.' And it's dishonest for you to imply I did.

Correct me if I'm wrong but you supported Patrick Henry's assertion that "The dems, somehow, have convinced the undecideds that they're the intellectual party. When the MSM gets finished with this creationism/ID business, the republicans will be toast with the undecideds. Which means we won't be winning any more national elections." Did you not?

Some of your 'facts' are not facts either.

:-} My facts are all in a row. You're failure to debunk anything specifically ie evidence of that.

When I'm having a discussion with someone and they start saying I said something I didn't, and present their own hypothesis and opinions as 'facts', I conclude the discussion is not in good faith and that my further participation is a waste of time.

You really never got out of the starting blocks. You backed your pals empty assertion but never offered any evidence supporting it. Adios.

[05 Mustang GT Rocks]

Go ahead and check how many evos on this thread are into throwing insults around. Anyway, you people should take your personal evolution and enlightment one step further and really study Dialectical Materialism. It is the Marxists life philosophy and is based in big part on the TOE, then you can continue on to Political Economy and finish with the Scientific Communism. After you have evolved that far, the next step would be for all the completely enlightened materialists to open reeducation camps with hard labor fro us lowlife Christians. It has already been tried numerous times during the last century. At that point, we rednecks get our guns...
By the way, I strongly recommend for all of you that get a kick out of mocking the Christians and God to get a hold and read the constitutions of all the Soviet satellite countries from the second half of the twentieth century. In the U.S we are still endowed by or Creator with certain unalienable rights. In the above mentioned documents , sincere commies denied the existence of a Creator, all the rights were given and taken away by the Communist Party. Makes for a very interesting living. I suggest you try it _ North Korea and Cuba come to mind. I had the "pleasure" to live under that kind of rule for 31 years and I'm not about to let any half-baked pseudo-intelectuals to drag this country down that road.
Merry Christmas!

[jennyp]

Species Name: Homo ergaster (1, 7, 8), Homo erectus (3, 4, 7, 10), Homo erectus ergaster (25)

So which is it - Homo ergaster, Homo erectus, or Homo erectus ergaster? You evolutionist keep changing your stories so often you can't even get your stories straight!!! Anything to keep the mith alive!!!

</crevo jeremiad mode>

[ThinkDifferent]

It is the Marxists life philosophy and is based in big part on the TOE

Irrelevant even if true. Or do you agree with those who shouted down Larry Summers because they didn't like the implications of men and women being different, regardless of the actual facts?

[jennyp]

Anyway, you people should take your personal evolution and enlightment one step further and really study Dialectical Materialism. It is the Marxists life philosophy and is based in big part on the TOE, then you can continue on to Political Economy and finish with the Scientific Communism.

<yawn>

In the above mentioned documents , sincere commies denied the existence of a Creator, all the rights were given and taken away by the Communist Party. Makes for a very interesting living. I suggest you try it _ North Korea and Cuba come to mind. I had the "pleasure" to live under that kind of rule for 31 years and I'm not about to let any half-baked pseudo-intelectuals to drag this country down that road.

I'm glad you were able to get out (or outlive the fall of Communism as the case may be). But you're very mistaken to think that evolution had anything to do with Marx's dialectical materialism. Dialectical materialism was explicitly intended to be an inversion of Hegelianism, a totally whacked-out German philosophy from the late 1700's. Meanwhile, Mussolini's fascism was explicitly a rebirth of "classical" Hegelianism, and Naziism was a reworking of Hegelianism and Hitler's theosophist beliefs and applied to biology.

[NewLand]

Given how they [evos] behave on FR, they are the whiniest of bad-tempered wusses who show up in gangs to bolster each other--surely these are weaklings who couldn't do us any good in any case.

Bingo Mamzelle! They see themselves as a special interest group within the conservative majority...NOT! They are a teensy weensy minority with more in common with the Left.

Have you noticed how often their articles are posted from NYT, LAT, or sympatico with the ACLU?

Most will not reveal their true conservative credentials, virtually none participate or contribute elsewhere or anywhere on FR...no dollar-a-days, etc.

It is what it is...easy to see if you have eyes open.

[PatrickHenry]

Placemarker

[From many - one.]

Please tell me you were kidding about self-esteem math.

[05 Mustang GT Rocks]

That's not what my commie professors thought and taught. Darwin's TOE is one of the major step stones in the development of the marxist-leninist philosophy. I know this is quite uncomfortable fact but that's the way it is. Don't take my word for it but instead of yawning spend some time in the "works" of the "Great Leaders".
I am going back to the end of my previous post. If you deny the existence of the Creator don't be surprised when someone denies your own existence arbitrarily

[05 Mustang GT Rocks]

By the way I was able to get out before the communism fell. I had to study all the commie philosophy (CP) all through high school, had to pass a CP test every year in college ( that's 5 years) and one of my medical board exams was again CP. When I thought I had finally gotten rid of all the commie BS, to my surprise I had to take one more in order to be able to do a PHD work. That one was awful - my dissertation was in the medical field but I got the impression of being given a test for a Secretary General of the communist party.