Atheists File Suit Against UHP Memorial Crosses

A lawsuit against memorial crosses is set to be filed Thursday by a group that feels they violate the separation of church and state.

Three Utah atheists, backed by a national organization based in Texas, are filing suit against the state for allowing crosses to be erected in honor of highway patrol troopers, who have died in the line of duty.

Richard Andrews said, "I feel the same way a Jew might feel if you put a state symbol on a swastika"

According to the UHP Association, a support group for troopers and their families, many fallen troopers' relatives consider the memorial crosses just as important as the tombstones that mark their graves.

Sgt. Todd Royce of the UHP Association told ABC 4 News, "It's a sense of pride, I think. It's a... kind of a sacred feeling."

The atheists suggest the association could honor the troopers with a non-denominational symbol.

HItler was a Catholic. He never renounced it, and was never excommunicated.

As an adult, Hitler specifically rejected the Catholic Church, as well as Christianity in general. He described himself as "a complete pagan".

The book Hitler's Secret Conversations: 1941-1944, published by Farrar, Straus and Young, Inc. (1953), contains definitive proof of Hitler's real views. The book was published in Britain under the title, Hitler's Table Talk: 1941-1944, which title was used for the Oxford University Press paperback edition in the United States.

All of these are quotes from Adolf Hitler:

Night of 11th-12th July, 1941:

National Socialism and religion cannot exist together.... The heaviest blow that ever struck humanity was the coming of Christianity. Bolshevism is Christianity's illegitimate child. Both are inventions of the Jew. The deliberate lie in the matter of religion was introduced into the world by Christianity.... Let it not be said that Christianity brought man the life of the soul, for that evolution was in the natural order of things. (p 6 & 7)

10th October, 1941, midday:

Christianity is a rebellion against natural law, a protest against nature. Taken to its logical extreme, Christianity would mean the systematic cultivation of the human failure. (p 43)

14th October, 1941, midday:

The best thing is to let Christianity die a natural death.... When understanding of the universe has become widespread... Christian doctrine will be convicted of absurdity.... Christianity has reached the peak of absurdity.... And that's why someday its structure will collapse.... ...the only way to get rid of Christianity is to allow it to die little by little.... Christianity [is] the liar.... We'll see to it that the Churches cannot spread abroad teachings in conflict with the interests of the State. (p 49-52)

19th October, 1941, night:

The reason why the ancient world was so pure, light and serene was that it knew nothing of the two great scourges: the pox and Christianity.

21st October, 1941, midday:

Originally, Christianity was merely an incarnation of Bolshevism, the destroyer.... The decisive falsification of Jesus' doctrine was the work of St. Paul. He gave himself to this work... for the purposes of personal exploitation.... Didn't the world see, carried on right into the Middle Ages, the same old system of martyrs, tortures, faggots? Of old, it was in the name of Christianity. Today, it's in the name of Bolshevism. Yesterday the instigator was Saul: the instigator today, Mardochai. Saul was changed into St. Paul, and Mardochai into Karl Marx. By exterminating this pest, we shall do humanity a service of which our soldiers can have no idea. (p 63-65)

13th December, 1941, midnight:

Christianity is an invention of sick brains: one could imagine nothing more senseless, nor any more indecent way of turning the idea of the Godhead into a mockery.... [here he insults people who believe transubstantiation] .... When all is said, we have no reason to wish that the Italians and Spaniards should free themselves from the drug of Christianity. Let's be the only people who are immunised against the disease. (p 118 & 119)

14th December, 1941, midday:

Kerrl, with noblest of intentions, wanted to attempt a synthesis between National Socialism and Christianity. I don't believe the thing's possible, and I see the obstacle in Christianity itself.... Pure Christianity-- the Christianity of the catacombs-- is concerned with translating Christian doctrine into facts. It leads quite simply to the annihilation of mankind. It is merely whole-hearted Bolshevism, under a tinsel of metaphysics. (p 119 & 120)

9th April, 1942, dinner:

There is something very unhealthy about Christianity (p 339)

27th February, 1942, midday:

It would always be disagreeable for me to go down to posterity as a man who made concessions in this field. I realize that man, in his imperfection, can commit innumerable errors-- but to devote myself deliberately to errors, that is something I cannot do. I shall never come personally to terms with the Christian lie. Our epoch Uin the next 200 yearse will certainly see the end of the disease of Christianity.... My regret will have been that I couldn't... behold its demise." (p 278)

The conference of German bishops excommunicated all Nazis in 1930, and in the 1932 elections forbade Catholics to vote for a Nazi. By being the leader of the Nazi party, Hitler had already put himself outside of the Church.

Finally, it should be noted that the whole purpose of excommunication is to help the sinner recognize the enormity of his sins, so he will seek forgiveness. As St. Paul wrote: "If any one refuses to obey our word by this letter, note that man, and have nothing to do with him, that he may be ashamed. Do not look on him as an enemy, but warn him as a brother." (2 Thes 3:14-15). Someone like Hitler, who did not believe in the truth of Christianity, would simply shrug it off.

>> Hitler was a Catholic. He never renounced it, and was never excommunicated. <<

This sounds like renouncing to me, how about you?:

"National Socialism and religion cannot exist together.... The heaviest blow that ever struck humanity was the coming of Christianity. Bolshevism is Christianity's illegitimate child. Both are inventions of the Jew. The deliberate lie in the matter of religion was introduced into the world by Christianity.... Let it not be said that Christianity brought man the life of the soul, for that evolution was in the natural order of things."

Sounds pretty atheistic, too.

As for his excommunication, that statement represents a grace misunderstanding of excommunication. 5 Billion people in the world are non-Catholics, and only a handful have ever been formally excommunicated. The prior statement is excommunication laetae sentiae (sp?): He excommunicated himself in making the statement. Personal excommunication is for when the person has made a unique separation from the church not otherwise covered by other excommunications and appears to labor under the misconception that they are remaining faithful Catholics. There is no reason to issue a formal excommunication for Adolph Hitler.

How bad is the MSM's lying about the Church's tolerance of Hitler? When I was in Boston (1999), the Boston Globe published on the fromt page an article declaring that the Catholic Church had never condemned Fascism. On the back page was a feature, "60 Years Ago Today in The Boston Globe," showing the 1939 Boston Globe. And the main story, screaming across the top of that newspaper? "Pope Condemns Twin Horrors of Communism, Fascism." The two stories appeared on the very same physical sheet of paper!

>> But being an "anti-Christian nihilist," (which I think is an ahistoric view of Nazi religious philosophy) does not establish that such a person is an atheist. One, for example, could be an anti-Christian nihilist and yet believe in any number of religions and deities. <<

By definition, a nihilist does not believe in the god of any religion. If I can drive a distinction between atheism and nihilism, it would be that an atheist believes that there are zero gods, and a nihilist does not believe in the concept of a God. Some nihilist might consider that atheism has made a god out of science and reason.

>> Parts of it were occultish and pagan (although not a seriously large part), many (as in any society) were agnostic, atheists, or non-practicing, but the vast majority of party members at the time continued to practice their religion without the type of political disapproval one would expect had the party been atheistic. <<

A lie created by the left-wing, God-hating media. As I just related in another comment, the Boston Globe had, on the same day, on the same physical sheet of paper, a front-page, above-the-fold headline that the Pope had never condemned Nazism, and a back-page retrospective look at the 1939 Boston Globe, featuring an image a papal condemnation of Nazism, scrawled across the top of the the 1939 paper.

The Nazis went out of there way to create images showing acceptance by church authities, such as the infamous photo of German bishops marching in a Nazi parade. The Nazis, of course, downplayed the rejection of such appointments by Rome; the harsh, universal criticisms; the thousands of Catholic martyrs. In essence, the media now accepts this false Nazi propaganda. Which Nazi leaders were communicants, of Lutheranism or of Catholicism?

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